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jakeGT said:
I'm with chez. I can't believe 1 in 5 guys have paid for underage sex? No f-ing way
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I do find the statistic to be out of line, but maybe he means sex with underage girls, but not paid for.

I mean let's face it, most of us (statistically) have had sex before we were 18. Therefore technically there are A LOT of guys out there who have had sex with a girl before she was 18.

Question is, is it still an issue if you were also under 18 at the time?



P.S. - Junior year of high school was fun ;)
 
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If you do some research the average "Starting" age for Prostitutes are 11-13 years old. And You'll see that they are having to resort to kidnapping and other tactics to fill up there "Product" just to keep up with all the sick men who pay for it.


The average age of entry into prostitution is 11-13. At the Bottem, and there are other sorces


The Average age for a "John" is 30 years old and married with kids. in a 2004 poll 30% of Men over 30 Admitted to using prostitutes Information at the bottom and look at the dates a lot of the information is old Thats just The guys who admit it.

So Do the math, most men are having sex with under age girls if they Know it or Not....

EDIT: And Yes there Paying For it. We Live in a Sick World if you really look....
 
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jakeGT said:
haha, i lost my virginity when i was 14, she was 22.
I got raped :(
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Theses are Forced little Girls(as young as 9 years old) made to be prostitutes. It's not talking about even under age sex (like you just mentioned) , it's just talking about men paying to have sex with prostitutes


and the statistics that the Average age prostitutes are forced to start at is 11-13 and then the statistic that 30% of men over 30 have "Admitted" to using prostitutes. That is probably really at Least 40% if 30% admitted it.

And you have to think about that most people don't want to just open up and tell these "Studies" there personal information especially if they were forced gang raped at a young age so the % have to be slightly higher due to that fact. No one would make this stuff up but a lot wouldn't want to talk about it, so we can trust the numbers in the statistics are a minimum and they only could go up.
 
I understand, but still, I got raped:( I feel dirty now

It is so SICK AND DISGUSTING and I would take my 9mm and put a bullet in anybodys head that I knew that paid to have sex with young girls. That is just unforgiveable, and so wrong. Anybody participating in these kinds of activities needs to be shot dead on sight
 
Krogith said:
If you do some research the average "Starting" age for Prostitutes are 11-13 years old. And You'll see that they are having to resort to kidnapping and other tactics to fill up there "Product" just to keep up with all the sick men who pay for it.


The average age of entry into prostitution is 11-13. At the Bottem, and there are other sorces


The Average age for a "John" is 30 years old and married with kids. in a 2004 poll 30% of Men over 30 Admitted to using prostitutes Information at the bottom and look at the dates a lot of the information is old Thats just The guys who admit it.

So Do the math, most men are having sex with under age girls if they Know it or Not....

EDIT: And Yes there Paying For it. We Live in a Sick World if you really look....
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Nope. Still not buying it. Age of starting is 12-14, let's call it 13. Age of finishing... well, is there one? probably varies a lot. For half the prostitutes "on the market" to be underage (i'm assuming under 16) the average age of quitting would have to be 19. Bull! Average quitting age is likely to be late 20s, if that.

Also, you've reduced the number from 40% to 30%. So you've gone from saying that in a sample of 20 American males 4 will have paid for sex with an underage girl, to saying that in a sample of 20 American males over the age of 30, 3 will have paid for sex from an underage girl. Keep your story straight? You can't assume that some aren't telling the truth and in doing so increase the statistic by whatever number takes your fancy.

Also, you've forgotten something. These men didn't admit to "using" prostitutes (implying on a regular basis) they (presumably - although admittedly maybe i'm guessing, i didn't read the whole article) admitted to having used at least one on at least one occasion.


"So Do the math, most men are having sex with under age girls if they Know it or Not...." ...the F---? "Most" means "more than half", thus >50%. More than 50% of males are engaging in penetrative vaginal intercourse with girls under the age of 16. Monstrous claim.

Your posts are falling apart progressively more and more and being padded out with lots of preaching morals "Sick world, look around you, everyone is so horrible" etc. Stop with that, i don't take a huge amount of notice anyway.

Note: This post is not meant to be offensive, and i'm not annoyed. If this incites annoyance in anyone, please alert me and i will tune down my patronising and\or delete the post.





@JakeGT: It was me that argued with it, not Chez. Haha... maybe we should have different avatar pictures to avoid confusion.
 
Krogith said:
Theses are Forced little Girls(as young as 9 years old) made to be prostitutes. It's not talking about even under age sex (like you just mentioned) , it's just talking about men paying to have sex with prostitutes


and the statistics that the Average age prostitutes are forced to start at is 11-13 and then the statistic that 30% of men over 30 have "Admitted" to using prostitutes. That is probably really at Least 40% if 30% admitted it.

And you have to think about that most people don't want to just open up and tell these "Studies" there personal information especially if they were forced gang raped at a young age so the % have to be slightly higher due to that fact. No one would make this stuff up but a lot wouldn't want to talk about it, so we can trust the numbers in the statistics are a minimum and they only could go up.
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I really think the results are off. I mean I know many men, I'm sure you do as well, can you honestly think of 20+ guys that have had sex with a prostitute.

I haven't had a chance to look at the links you provided, but something seems off. Maybe this is regarding a specific city or county? Just some rough number don't bear this out. I mean US = 300 million. Half or so are male, going off of your statistic over 40 million men use prostitutes in the US? Something is off...
 
Sadly most of the information i have read is saying the average guy doing this is over 30 & married with kids... Thats really sick when you think about it... you would think if it's a average it would be single men... I Found That Strange...





I'm not making this up and it's not just 1 statistic. These are studies in the US.


Honestly back when I worked in construction before I got in the accident I knew a Lot of guys who where into that world on the job sites. It's sick when you read reports after reports. Men are doing it and it's really sick I agree. You'd be surprised whos doing this. At 1st I felt like you guys that this is just to sick but study after study and I have had to except this world is getting worse and with the Internet it's getting sicker and sicker


EDIT: I don't understand what your missing? If the Average are for All prostitutes in the US are starting at 11-13, and the average age of the men are 30 years old and married with kids, And 30% of Men over 30 have admitted to having sex with prostitutes in the US. It doesn't take to much to figure that out. And these are Voluntary Studies So you Have to Take the Fact that most women don't like talking about what they have been "put Through" and most men wont admit they are using prostitutes unless there forced to. So the numbers are at least Slightly Larger than whats being admitted. If you read over all the reports of young girls getting forced into Sex Slavery in the US to Feed the Demand thats There.

Then you have to reason theres a large mass of the male population Funding a Feeding this World. And a Lot of them have had sex with under age girls knowing it or not, because of the fact that the Average Entry age for Prostitution is 11-13. And I can link more studies but if your not going to read them i see no point, how can I make any points if you wont even read the source and just are coming back with "How you Feel About It". In that case we can Agree to disagree :p
 
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Jai, you must think I'm an asshole and an idiot. One time I thought you were a girl, just because chez was a girl and I thought you two were girls that were friends, just becasue your avatars were small and you had long hair.

ANd now i called you chez because Your avatars and sigs are similar haha.

I'm sorry jainobez! Wasn't trying to offend you!
 
ahahaha! don't confuse me now!

I must say though, Jai is a very lucky man, I would love to be able to laze with my girlfriend.
 
Haha Jake, don't worry about it. We also compete over who can get the most rep, and you've increased my lead :D



@Krogith: Agreeing to disagree is no fun :p

Cut all the "sick world" stuff. We're in agreement over that. I don't doubt it's mostly married men over thirty with kids. I am simply arguing with your statement that 50% of all those paying for prostitutes are doing so with an underage girl (an idea you so far have not attempted to support with evidence, and have provided evidence which actually weakens the claim) and objecting to the implication that the thirty percent of males are all visitting prostitutes on a regular basis when it's so overpoweringly more likely that a significant proportion of those who ticked yes have hired a prostitute on one occasion and not since... or a few times in a non-malicious manner and not on a regular basis (maybe on their stag night, or whatever). Also, when you factor in those who may have done it informally (thus having casually "paid for sex" without having "hired a prostitute") or in other countries where it is legal and where there is no big problem you have a final number which is almost definitely a lot smaller rather than bigger for the percentage of males who hire prostitutes (present tense, thus implying the action takes place on a regular basis).

Stop at any time, idm, i just love arguing the toss out of everything. :D
In fact, here, have some reps for a good argument! :D
 
people who tend to have sick tendencies know how to cover it up, you'd be surprised how many sickos have a loving family, a career, and are well established in the community, the darker the secret, the more often they have a better cover for such things.
 
The Agree to disagree is to the point if your not going to read my links.

It's a billion dollar Black market industry in America. It takes a lot of people to support the cost. You also don't live in America and don't see our news on a daily basis as I do, I'm disabled from chronic pain and just sit around gathering information and have the national news on All Day Long and can watch all 3 of the main news networks News cycles, on top of the Internet news that I sift through all day as well mostly for world news and to confirm or look into something else on the regular news. It's getting really bad in the US.


EDIT: ROFL Post 911
 
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Alright, here's the thing.

I don't doubt that it is very bad.

I just don't think you've in any way supported the idea that half of all prostitute-hirings are to underage girls. Unless you've retracted that statement. I also think you are mislead in thinking that 40% of men are hiring prostitutes on a regular basis.
 
this thread has been DERAILED magorly but still underage sex, paying to have sex bla bla bla is unforgiveable and wrong and why the hell would someone pay for something that he will get later in life for free :evil:
 
Uhm, apart the fact that i agree with Chez, about the "who care" principle, when both the parts are consensuals (and we're speaking about just under-18 girls, not about kids, be clear with this), i have some doubts, about the fact that clients ask for underage girls ..... anyway, i don't want to start any war, ok ? ..... it's just a personal curiosity.

Let me ask you some things about this, just for the fun of the discussion:

You say that half of the clients pay for have sex with underage prostitutes ..... what exactly you mean, with this ?

That those clients intentionally ask for underage girls ? ..... like, going to them and ask them "hey, are you underage? ..... i'm searching an underage prostitute, can you direct me to them ?" ..... i don't doubt that clients that pay prostitutes may choose the more beautiful and young-looking ones, after all i suppose they pay also for the appearence, and i also suppose that, if they pay, they don't choose intentionally girls that looks old and ugly (ok, ok, at least the most part of them ..... there are always deviants :p :D) ----- but, with all the controls and risks, permit me to have some doubts, that there are so much peoples that ask for minors :p

Or maybe, that half of the clients don't care if the girls are underage ? ..... but also in this case, do you really think that a client can ask the girl to show him her documents, for certify that she's over-18 ? ..... or that any of these girls, asked about their age, simply don't lie about it, for get the client more easily ? ..... also about this, i have some little doubts :p (and, other than this, how do you see if a girl is or not over-18 ? ..... i personally know girls that are 20 and looks 15, and a couple of twins that are 17 and look 25 ..... the aspect means nothing, especially with makeup :p)

This, ofcourse, speaking about "street girls" (don't know the right term in English, sorry) ..... when instead you speak about so-called "escort services" agencies, the things changes ..... i heard that this one is a business ruled from very "protected" peoples (usually, industrials or bank managers, not just crime), with a lot of "hooks" in police and politics ..... with similar premises, i can easily trust that a client rich enough, and available to pay enough, can ask for a girl specifying anything, including age, and become "served on-the-fly", but this, i really doubt can be considered the majority of the prostitution market, or make some conspicuous statistics.

Ofcourse, mine are just speculations, i never felt the need to pay a girl, so i never done that (is not a matter of laws or costumes, i don't even care about these laws, and can't care less than so about what the others think ..... i don't just feel right the idea itself, cause i feel it as "buy a person", and this is against my personal principles) so cannot know this market directly, only from reports, documents and news ..... but if you have some proofs, i may be glad to see them.

And last, permit me a little joke, ( with no intentions to offend anyone, especially the girls ;) )

LaZeRz said:
..... and why the hell would someone pay for something that he will get later in life for free .....
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Who said you that you get it "for free" ? ..... have you never considered how much it cost you, in fact of home bills and fees, new car, dresses and makeups and gifts for the wife, extra expenses when the kids comes, and so on ? ..... "for free" is not exactly the right way for define it, i think :eg: ..... (just kidding :p :D)
 
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