Lasers and Girlfriends

[InfinitusEquitas]

This would be alot more impressive

Why didn't you just say you wanted to play with large long objects

 

[JaiNobeZ]

Here are some questions to Krogith.

Exclude all the girls who are forced into it at 13. For the purpose of this question, they are peripheral and irrelevant.

Let's say there was a girl who, after leaving college, decided "OK... what job should i choose now?" and made a deliberate decision to become a prostitute. Is that wrong? And is it wrong for men to hire her?

Next question:
Same girl thinks "OK... what job should i choose now?" and decided to work at a strip joint to make money while she looked for a real job. Eventually she ends up in prostitution and doesn't bother getting a different job. Is that wrong? Is it wrong for men to hire her? Or is the key issue whether she likes it or dislikes it, and whether she continues because she has to in order to keep a roof over her head or continues because she doesn't mind it so much and doesn't really want another job?

Finally:
Let's say the girl, instead, got a job in a fast-food place. Limited pay, unintelligent work, long hours. She then doesn't have the time or energy to find another job or the money to pursue a new qualification with the intention of a different job at the end. Is that wrong? And is it wrong for people to order fast food off her?

@InfinitusEquitas: Haha... oldest profession. Meat-sharing hypothesis
I like your idea though. They could run a drug-test on all the girls, and ensure they were on contraception and check appropriate documents to check they were of-age and in the country legally. Then the women book a spot in a venue in which they could "advertise" themselves in the hope to get hired, and upon doing so they would have to verify in private with no others present to a trained counsellor that they were of age and that they were doing what they were doing voluntarily. The counsellor could have contacts in the police, so that if there was something bad going on the police could go bust the guys' chops. To enter the venue a man would have to have a CRB check, sign various documents and have a medical record check to obtain a pass which he could present each time he wanted to enter. All private rooms would be fitted with panic buttons. Haha... this set-up works! So the rules can be enforced! Krogith, try to pick holes in it...


EDIT: @InfinitusEquitas: Chez loves her long hard objects, especially if they produce emissions.

 

[Krogith]

Mankind Is able to Choose There Own Path, I find it wrong but will not force my opinion on anyone. I might State my Thoughts but Mankind's Free Will gives everyone the choice to do as they wish, Good or Bad. It's Not my Job to do Any more than express my Thoughts on it and I too Love a Good Debate.

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

@JaiNobeZ

To all of your hypothetical questions, my personal answer is NO. Her life, her choices, consequences are also hers.

I think what you're suggesting is good in terms of regulation, and would work well, except that there should be some built in anonymity. Amsterdam has very similar polices from what I've heard.

Edit: What's a meat sharing hypothesis?

 

[umss]

Infinitus, you have now asked a question which will lead to Jai telling you about it, essay style because he loves psychology. D: D: D:!!!!
Man gives woman meat > she gives him sex.

 

[Krogith]

Infinitus, you have now asked a question which will lead to Jai telling you about it, essay style because he loves psychology. D: D: D:!!!!
Man gives woman meat > she gives him sex.

That can be Taken Wrong :shhh: lol I guess both apply but the latter is less true when balanced with the true meaning :thinking:

 

[umss]

Lol:d

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

@Chezumss

I majored in psychology, political science, history, criminal justice, and philosophy. I can handle an essay response

Very funny answer btw

Edit: I'm gonna ask one of my more drunk friends to ask a girl a question "Would you like to taste my meat?" Can't wait to see the results

 

[JaiNobeZ]

Meat sharing hypothesis is basically what Chez said. Women stay at home and look after kids, men go out and hunt. We all understand this to be the case. According to Jared Diamond's observation of some tribe somewhere (i forget where, it's in his book "Why Is Sex Fun?") on average, the females would provide more calories of food than the men. Reason being that men would occasionally drag home a massive carcass with loads of calories of meat on it and "bring home the bacon" but most days would come home empty-handed whereas women would collect and kill spiders, grind palm-starch and commit various other boring but successful activities to provide food. So women's food supply was more stable and reliable. Meaning there must be some other benefit to a man bringing home meat.
At first he thought it was because palm starch does nothing but provide energy and the tribespeople need protein too, but the men would also hunt for honeycomb which is essentially just energy and women would also kill small animals near their home and cook those, so there was enough protein to go around. The reason is that when a man brings home a massive carcass everyone wants some, including other women. So that puts him in a very powerful potentially gene-spreading position. This is basically the meat-sharing hypothesis (although Jared Diamond, as far as i remember, didn't call it this).

It was given this nickname after it was observed that in some other primate species (i forget which, but i assume it wasn't Bonobos because they're pretty... crazy...) it would frequently occur that the males, after hunting, would withdraw food from the females until they were provided with sex. Doing so got the genes spread.

After we were told about this idea in class i declared "Alright everyone, barbecue at my place this weekend!" ...I'm a bit of a clown in my Psychology class...

Also, anonymity was maintained in Vienna during masked balls by, guess what, a mask! That'd be a fun addition to my set-up for the prevention of the threats of prostitution. And, while there should be a right to anonymity, it should be only a sort of superficial anonymity which the law could strip away any time it seemed appropriate. Basically, otherwise there's total deindividuation, which is a bad thing in most cases.

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

@JaiNobeZ

Interesting hypothesis. I appreciate the detail. Most of what I learned in college has been erased by many nights of binge drinking I'm afraid

With regards to anonymity, the reason I brought it up is that many men would still seek illegal means to access prostitutes if going the legal route meant making their activities public.

There is the big Stigma problem to deal with, and without some anonymity being in place legalization would not work.

 

[Krogith]

Don't Worry. This Worlds Morals are on a Marching Path and You Just Might See In Your Lifetime the "Stigma" of the Mass Majority Change and They Agree with What you Obviously Would Like to See.

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

Don't Worry. This Worlds Morals are on a Marching Path and You Just Might See In Your Lifetime the "Stigma" of the Mass Majority Change and They Agree with What you Obviously Would Like to See.

@Krogith

I Would Like To See Common Sense and Logic Prevail Over Dogmatic Morality.

In my posts I'm simply proposing what is in my opinion the best and most realistic way to deal with the problem.

I know it's easy to just shout that it's wrong, evil, bad, immoral, but what actual solution do you propose?

Make it illegal? Teach kids that it's wrong? Punish offenders?

All of that is already being done... and none of it to works. The war on drugs also seems to going great...



P.S. - In some countries it's a stigma to be jewish. In some places it's a stigma to be black. So yeah, I'm against any kind of stigma.

 

[Krogith]

I Think Thats the main Point: Man Can't do anything to solve these types of problems. Thats a Whole Deeper Point tho, Not going to be Understood in a few short words in a thread.

I See Your side but honestly it Causes More Problems than what your seeing on the surface. The Johns and the Pimps Mental State and how it Effects Society, the Denigration there of and the Snow Ball Effect it has on the rest of the Societal Norm. We Shall see how Far it will go Down and what will it Will become Tho wont We. :gun:

 

[JaiNobeZ]

Krogith, i've figured out why you're so difficult to argue with.

You tend to sidestep the main point and talk about something peripheral.

 

[LaZeRz]

Uhm, apart the fact that i agree with Chez, about the "who care" principle, when both the parts are consensuals (and we're speaking about just under-18 girls, not about kids, be clear with this), i have some doubts, about the fact that clients ask for underage girls ..... anyway, i don't want to start any war, ok ? ..... it's just a personal curiosity.

Let me ask you some things about this, just for the fun of the discussion:

You say that half of the clients pay for have sex with underage prostitutes ..... what exactly you mean, with this ?

That those clients intentionally ask for underage girls ? ..... like, going to them and ask them "hey, are you underage? ..... i'm searching an underage prostitute, can you direct me to them ?" ..... i don't doubt that clients that pay prostitutes may choose the more beautiful and young-looking ones, after all i suppose they pay also for the appearence, and i also suppose that, if they pay, they don't choose intentionally girls that looks old and ugly (ok, ok, at least the most part of them ..... there are always deviants ) ----- but, with all the controls and risks, permit me to have some doubts, that there are so much peoples that ask for minors

Or maybe, that half of the clients don't care if the girls are underage ? ..... but also in this case, do you really think that a client can ask the girl to show him her documents, for certify that she's over-18 ? ..... or that any of these girls, asked about their age, simply don't lie about it, for get the client more easily ? ..... also about this, i have some little doubts (and, other than this, how do you see if a girl is or not over-18 ? ..... i personally know girls that are 20 and looks 15, and a couple of twins that are 17 and look 25 ..... the aspect means nothing, especially with makeup )

This, ofcourse, speaking about "street girls" (don't know the right term in English, sorry) ..... when instead you speak about so-called "escort services" agencies, the things changes ..... i heard that this one is a business ruled from very "protected" peoples (usually, industrials or bank managers, not just crime), with a lot of "hooks" in police and politics ..... with similar premises, i can easily trust that a client rich enough, and available to pay enough, can ask for a girl specifying anything, including age, and become "served on-the-fly", but this, i really doubt can be considered the majority of the prostitution market, or make some conspicuous statistics.

Ofcourse, mine are just speculations, i never felt the need to pay a girl, so i never done that (is not a matter of laws or costumes, i don't even care about these laws, and can't care less than so about what the others think ..... i don't just feel right the idea itself, cause i feel it as "buy a person", and this is against my personal principles) so cannot know this market directly, only from reports, documents and news ..... but if you have some proofs, i may be glad to see them.

And last, permit me a little joke, ( with no intentions to offend anyone, especially the girls )



Who said you that you get it "for free" ? ..... have you never considered how much it cost you, in fact of home bills and fees, new car, dresses and makeups and gifts for the wife, extra expenses when the kids comes, and so on ? ..... "for free" is not exactly the right way for define it, i think :eg: ..... (just kidding )

Hehe lol, well even if your single your still going to have to pay for most of those items when you move into your own house and less money on your wife more on lasers naa just kidding :crackup:

BTW 300th post

 

[umss]

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