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Man gives woman meat > she gives him sex.

ROTFL :p

I personally tend to considerate an "interaction" between man and woman as an "exchange of pleasure", than as a market (but this is simply as i am, personal opinion and nothing other) ..... anyway, also your one can be a good definition, under certain points of view :p


@ all the ones that speak about "laws" and "morality" (and no, no intention to offend, it's only a well known fact), please consider that the things that we call "laws" and "morality" are extremely variable concepts, that regularly change with the time, society and abitudes, also in few years ..... just as example, remember that less than 100 years ago (that is a limited amount of time, if you think about it), in most of the countries the use was still to give girls for marriage around the age of 12 (or when they was "becoming women", as it's considered the first menstruation time), that was usual and considered normal, to give those girls in marriage to men of age 40 or 50 or also more, indifferently that they (the girls) want this or not, and that a girl was considered "too old for find a good husband" when she was 17 ..... and this was considered perfectly legal and moral :p
 





ROTFL :p

I personally tend to considerate an "interaction" between man and woman as an "exchange of pleasure", than as a market (but this is simply as i am, personal opinion and nothing other) ..... anyway, also your one can be a good definition, under certain points of view :p


@ all the ones that speak about "laws" and "morality" (and no, no intention to offend, it's only a well known fact), please consider that the things that we call "laws" and "morality" are extremely variable concepts, that regularly change with the time, society and abitudes, also in few years ..... just as example, remember that less than 100 years ago (that is a limited amount of time, if you think about it), in most of the countries the use was still to give girls for marriage around the age of 12 (or when they was "becoming women", as it's considered the first menstruation time), that was usual and considered normal, to give those girls in marriage to men of age 40 or 50 or also more, indifferently that they (the girls) want this or not, and that a girl was considered "too old for find a good husband" when she was 17 ..... and this was considered perfectly legal and moral :p


Don't You think thats just a Variation of the Same Idea? Sounds like We are Doing the modern Day Equivalent of the Exact Same Thing? :thinking:




(I asked what I didn't Address in PM) I Figured sense you like the Debate to include it to the thread JaiNobez :D
JaiNobeZ said:
Krogith said:
What point have I not addressed? :thinking:

To begin with
"People are out to have "FUN" and not trying to form a Committed Relationship with people. And In the USA we have a HUGE prostitution Problem where 40 % of the Male population do it and 1/2 of them with underage little girls. This also makes it more of a Society that isn't focused on the family Structure. Internet Pornography is Huge as well. Think about it Old world man had to go to some location where that dirty stuff went on, Now everyone can do it in there own home and go to the sickest sites and no one knows. This is also a Main contributor of this Issue as well. "

You later retracted the 40% to 30%. I then spent quite a few posts asking you to explain the "1/2 of them with underage little girls". Did your "1/2" just mean "some"?


My Answer to that was simply,

People are not 100% truthful, It's volunteer studies. We already Talked about the VERY Negative way the mass of society has viewed it over History and the Stigma Associated to it. So when 30% do admit it you have to take into account the Fact that not everyone is confessing every thing they have done and 100% truthful. A lot also feel law enforcement could possibly some how get that information making them even more reluctant.

I don't get how you could look at 30% and say Yeah most of them have done it once so that number is a lot smaller. Your saying everyone was 100% truthful and that Can Not be True. And Sense it's a Taboo subject and Most men doing it are Over 30 Married with kids than they have many reasons Not to be 100% Truthful. So That 30% are the ones who think it's 100% Fine and they joke with there Buddy's About The "Slut" They did last night.

It's a billion dollar Industry in the US, that takes a Lot of people working and/or making some income to fund that industry. >>>$$$<<<

And my point always was,

The John's may Know it Or Not on there age but That argument is Mute Honestly. Saying you didn't know she was 14 and she "Looked" Older and told me so is Retarded to use as a Defense.

The studies show that Most Out of All the Prostitutes in the US start underage around 11-13. If the Average Prostitutes all started young, than theres a Huge Mass of the Men who have use them, Who have had sex with under age girls Knowingly or Not. That means for the 1st 7-5 Years of there Sex Slavery Everyone they had sex with 4-10 Johns Each a Night Every Night 365 days a Year is Having sex with a Under Age Girls. The most famous Words are, Young, Fresh, Innocent.... What The Crap Do you Think that Means? The Men Don't Care.
 
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Don't You think thats just a Variation of the Same Idea? Sounds like We are Doing the modern Day Equivalent of the Exact Same Thing? :thinking:

Sorry, my English is bad ..... if you are asking if i condone that old uses, then the reply is no, i don't condone any form of sopruse (what's the right word, violence ? ..... imposition ?) over other peoples, and this independently that they was "underage" girls ..... i was just saying that "laws" and "moral" are very comfortable concepts, cause, opposite to "justice" and "ethic" (that are things that you can't change so easily), they can be changed when peoples or governments feel the need to change them (i know, i know, i'm a damn polemic one :p ..... sometimes i also feel funny to have some good discussions, i admit that ..... only, English stop me a lot, being a so strange language :p :D)
 
@HIMNL9 Your English is fine,

I was just saying that what we are doing today, seems like the Exact same thing we have seen in history just what the modern day Man does. So Instead of the Pedophile in history taking the 12 year old girl into his house. (meat sharing) He pays for it today. Same Idea in a Sense. Same Issue.
 
I was just saying that what we are doing today, seems like the Exact same thing we have seen in history just what the modern day Man does. So Instead of the Pedophile in history taking the 12 year old girl into his house. (meat sharing) He pays for it today. Same Idea in a Sense. Same Issue.

Historically a girl was considering a woman immediately after her "flowering" aka menstrual cycle. The most basic and important responsibility of the woman being to produce healthy sons.

Again historically, going back say 500 years (or even a lot less) it would not be uncommon at all to see men sleeping with very young girls. However you have to take into account much shorter life spans. Where as now 75, 80, 90 is common, it would have been very unusual back than.

So comparing modern pedophiles to ordinary men in the middle ages, kind of like comparing a 1960's car to a 2010 model. Still has 4 wheels, but totally different.

Also I think AMAZING strides have been made in developed nations. The standard of living we have now is MUCH higher than anything even 100 years ago. Read a study somewhere that to simulate the current life style of an average american male, it would have taken the work of over a 100 slaves. The same is also true regarding human rights. Don't believe me, compare how many women were doctors back in 1900 and now.

In general though, I personally know only one guy that likes young girls, personally I think he's weird, and wouldn't be at all surprised if he got arrested at some point, but even he won't sleep with a girl who is under 18. According to the statistics you list, 30% have slept with underage girls. I don't know where this is possible, but I know for a fact that out of all the guys I know very well, and there are a lot more than 10... there aren't that many (none actually ) pedophiles.

Personally I second the castration punishment for the crime though. Would probably work a lot better than imprisonment, but even such an approach can produce problems.

Edit: Just read this article on CNN, http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/19/granderson.children.dress/index.html?iref=NS1 I have basically the same question as the author. WTF is wrong with the parents who buy this crap?
 
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Seems like you're trying to show off with that information ;)
May I remind you this forum is 99.99999% male XD

Not really, but I saw that some people wonder how women find it so weird to be interested in such things as lasers. Lets face it, its kind of nerdy.
 
^ uhm, what exactly do you mean with "nerdy" ? ..... hightech for guys only ?

If so, i know a pair of girls more interested and skilled than the most part of the guys i know, about PCs and highteck, so why not lasers, too ?

;)
 
@HIMNL9

While there are some women who are in fact very good with technology, as a general rule there are a lot more guys.

For example I know a dozen guys off hand who can put together a computer in under half an hour. I know only one girl who can do the same though.
 
@InfinitusEquitas The Statistic i linked in this thread earlier, has the 30% and I got it from other sources as well... Just Because you Personally don't "Know" about it doesn't make the Study False. People who think alike tend to gravitate towards each-other and not talk about it to other people they know who are not like them. And I bet your friend who likes "Young" Girls wouldn't think twice about there "Real" age. Most men who are in that World don't seek it out per say they just want as Young as Possible and don't think twice about it when the time comes.


My 1st On Topic point :p : Why is it that "Most" Women don't like it or at the Least don't Understand "Why"? And the Ones who Do are Far and Few Between? I'm not asking because I would like to talk about them more, but as more of a Psychology Question?
 
@InfinitusEquitas The Statistic i linked in this thread earlier, has the 30% and I got it from other sources as well... Just Because you Personally don't "Know" about it doesn't make the Study False. People who think alike tend to gravitate towards each-other and not talk about it to other people they know who are not like them. And I bet your friend who likes "Young" Girls wouldn't think twice about there "Real" age. Most men who are in that World don't seek it out per say they just want as Young as Possible and don't think twice about it when the time comes.


My 1st On Topic point :p : Why is it that "Most" Women don't like it or at the Least don't Understand "Why"? And the Ones who Do are Far and Few Between? I'm not asking because I would like to talk about them more, but as more of a Psychology Question?

Valid point. I just find the 30% statistic to be insane, and very very disturbing. I mean as I wrote before I don't have much of an issue with prostitution itself, but I do take issue with the exploitation, and exploitation of kids (IMO under 20 = kid) is beyond wrong.

With regards to the on topic part (about time! :D) I think it's really a matter of conditioning. Women and men are equally capable in 99.99% of mentally challenging tasks. While there are some physiological differences they are not sufficient to account for the technical/nerd divide.

What bothers me though, is that while I might not enjoy it, or understand it, it really doesn't matter to me if a girl wants to collect 200 pairs of shoes (I mean honestly, who needs 10 inch heels?). It's not a negative. So how come so many male hobbies are a negative to women?
 
You make a Very valid point. They don't get harassed by the male population on the things they collect. (more so that they harass each other about them :p) I think they just see the lasers as a bunch of shoes/cloths they "Should Have" and Don't...
 
Alright! Something i can utilise Evolutionary Psychology on!! :D:D:D

Disclaimer: The following is totally reductionistic and only really considers one approach for understanding issues such as this. Just the way i like it! ;)

In our environment of evolutionary adaptation (or EEA) men will have been out hunting, and women will have stayed at home looking after children. Because of how any time any man can ejaculate into anything roughly female there is a chance that it will end up pregnant, thus baring his child, thus passing his genes on. The best part for the man? There's a big almost year-long gap in which the woman has no choice but to bear it and during that time he can run away, make himself scarce and not contribute to the upbringing of the child. He's won. Conversely, women don't benefit from short-term relationships or casual or careless sex. They're not going to do her any good as she's then having to drag around a big ol' lump in her womb for the next almost-year which is parasitically chewing away at her hard-gotten food and physically disabling her somewhat from conducting the activities she usually would. It is also very difficult for her to leave this baby in the arms of the father and jet off to repeat the process because she's not able to hand it to him until a lot later and by that time she's invested far more in its upbringing than he has, so if he ditches it and it dies she's lost far more than he has.
Parental investment theory. Trivers is a great man. :bowdown:

So this gives rise to an effect we can all observe all the time. Men will happily fuck anything, and women are picky about partners. Therefore, in the good old EEA, for the best part females would choose their male partners. Although the more attractive ("attractive" being "showing signs of youth, health, likelihood of successful childbearing, e.g. small features concentrated around the centre of the face, symmetrical-appearing facial features, smooth skin, long hair, large eyes, plump lips, curvey hips and large mammary glands") the woman, the more successful ("successful" being "showing signs of youth and health but also of status, power, successful ability to protect her and bring home the bacon, e.g. large abdominal and bicep muscles, testosterone features such as bushy eyebrows and a thick beard, or demonstrable ability to run fast, jump high, throw far, hit hard or perform high-functioning cognitive tasks).
So what do women mainly need to spend their time doing? Looking pretty and youthful. Thus they spend their time changing their hair or buying new clothes, handbags and shoes. And what do men need to spend their time doing? Well, for a start, killing stuff. Young boys will observably gravitate towards aggressive play from very young. Luckily, that's trained out of most of us. So what else can we do? Well... how about, practice our abilities at demonstrating that we're strong and powerful and can protect our women and bring home the bacon? Sports! But, then again, there are many of us (like me) who do not possess large biceps or abdominal muscles and who can't hit hard, run fast or throw far. So what can we do? Play to our strengths and demonstrate high-functioning cognitive ability by... guess what... building lasers!!

I enjoyed that essay.

The negativity women show towards it is a funny thing though. I'm guessing maybe that's because of how men will want to have sex with anything roughly female, women have to do what they can to quell this tendency. So i suppose as soon as a woman is in a relationship with a man she will try to destroy his love of such activities. Mehh... who knows?
 
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So you think it's a variation on Freud's penis envy theory? Possible. Although I would be quite happy if a girl wanted to play with all my oblong objects, I don't mind sharing ;)
 
So what do women mainly need to spend their time doing? Looking pretty and youthful. Thus they spend their time changing their hair or buying new clothes, handbags and shoes.

...men will want to have sex with anything roughly female, women have to do what they can to quell this tendency. So i suppose as soon as a woman is in a relationship with a man she will try to destroy his love of such activities. Mehh... who knows?

I edited out a bit, but didn't change wording, kind of killing your own point there;)

Based on your argument women should find lasers to be attractive. Trust me... with a few exceptions.. they don't :(

I've also had the experience of the eyes glazing over. I start talking about something in detail, and I can practically chart the interest level going down. Of course when I see that I usually order another round of drinks and switch topics.
 


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