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Kiyoukan...

MichiganMan said:
Apparently there are 2 addresses for him, and they are both within 15 minutes of eachother. If I have the time monday I will drive there after school. And yes I will record it.
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do et. rep incoming if you actually go :)
 
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Just watch out. You're not law enforcement, and even they can't just go around intimidating people.
 
Nothing wrong with a friendly visit to see if Kiyou is Home or not ;)
 
If ilived 2 hours away i would go as well.
Please ask neighbours about him if hes not home.
 
Yes, but I don't want to see on the news: "a man shot and killed another man whom he thought was threatening the former over a dispute involving lasers."
 
Bionic-Badger said:
Yes, but I don't want to see on the news: "a man shot and killed another man whom he thought was threatening the former over a dispute involving lasers."
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He shouldn't shoot at me for no reason, I am not going to threaten him, I will just say what needs to be said in a calm manner.
 
Hey, there's no legal issue if you stop by and ask if you can speak to him. If he has a problem with it then simply get off the property. If he is reading this then he will doubt it:
bringing the internet to your door step and knocking ,
i doubt its a reality he's prepared to deal with. The act alone
perhaps can re-align he's intentions and actions...
 
Bionic-Badger said:
I dunno, with these wonky "stand your ground" laws, who knows what may go down.
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Well I am going to knock, and say Hi , are you Aron Brow? If he/she says yes I will say that I know who you are, you did a bad thing to people on LPF and you know it. I am not here to collect any money I will be leaving right after this, I just wanted you to know that it wont be as easy as you think to get rid of the people you scammed, and I hope you do the right thing. Also I changed the date of when I am going to drive there. I wont tell anyone just in case he is reading this thread, I may not even go with all this talk about chances of him turning violent. If I do go I will record it and then post it on this thread.
 
Hi everyone, I'm tonyaztec, I've been a member on PL for some time but I've come across to see if there has been any contact with Kiyoukan, I also took part in the GB and i'm still waiting for items, not holding my breath for them anymore, I live in the UK so not to easy for me to visit this guy myself. If you do see him, and as others have said, I'm sure he's safe and well.

If anyone does visit him then be careful but just make it known that many people are not happy, trouble is is that these days he has no idea who is stood the other side of his door before he opens it.

I have a contact address for him that was attached to some of the items I received, I'm sure some members already have the same details that I have but I'm happy to share them for genuine reasons.

I would also agree that he does see everything that has been said about him, I just wish he was man enough to come forward and say what went wrong, even if he could not return money.

Tony
 
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its soooo weird that we had contact for over a half year and he showed photos and made videos and knows what he is talking about....is it all part of a scam? :/ yes....it is. i do not believe in alternatives anymore.
 
I think Kiyoukan is more a flake and financially inept rather than someone who had a master plan to scam people with one final group buy and then disappear. He probably got in over his head, didn't want to have to refund people out of his own pocket for a botched project, and then has absconded from the forum while the shit started hitting the fan.

Sure, in the end people are getting screwed either way. However, from past dealings with Kiyoukan, I think it's more a matter of not owning up to his debts, not an attempt to build trust and play a bunch of fools for their money.
 
That's what usually happens when children try to do business..
They get in over their heads from lack of experience then don't
have a responsible enough character to make it right and hide
under their beds waiting for the boogeyman to go away .


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics
 
Jerry - I have read that same statement from 100's
of times.
Ahhh...Just a P'ssd off vet ..I did think this

Its so true. This place and others serves a battle ground for
testing the young and dumb. Sure, there are older people
but they dont get the red carpet rolled out due to lack of
experience.

And this in no way negative a comment from me
towards honest and young sellers here.
I know many of them personally, trust is never an issue
or compromised.


lasersbee said:
That's what usually happens when children try

to do business..
They get in over their heads from lack of experience then don't
have a responsible enough character to make it right and hide
under their beds waiting for the boogeyman to go away .


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics
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DarkSide said:
Jerry - I have read that same statement from 100's
of times.
Ahhh...Just a P'ssd off vet ..I did think this

Its so true. This place and others serves a battle ground for
testing the young and dumb. Sure, there are older people
but they dont get the red carpet rolled out due to lack of
experience.

And this in no way negative a comment from me
towards honest and young sellers here.
I know many of them personally, trust is never an issue
or compromised.
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I'm actually not Pi$$ed off... I was wise enough not to
have any dealings with Kiyoukan from the first time I
heard of his MIA way of dealing with buyers.

BTW.. this is the 1st time I've made the previous post
statement and it is only a generalization (note the word
usual and not always..:D) as I've experienced in real
life.

I'm not saying all younger sellers are like Kiyoukan...
I know for a fact that most are responsible enough to
keep selling items on the Forum in a professional manner.

My post was a response to Kiyoukan's selling and customer
service demeanor here and on other Forums.


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics
 
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