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405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
I still going to have whatever Traveller is having
hehehehe!!
Traveller said:Okay... now I'm up to speed, or at least mostly up to speed. I'll up my order to four (4) of the lenses*. Since you stated that these lenses would only be available via group buys, better safe than sorry
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I still going to have whatever Traveller is having
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
I'm good for 2 for bluray.
I'm good for 2 for bluray.
Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
ooh... an opportunity for extreme obxcure punditry! (not directed at anyone!!)
Hey Igor, I'm just sticking this dippy little post in here, to see if you really read all these pages of pleading for your wares...
I do hope you are either having fun, or getting some work done
... please don't forget my contributory nonsense, when it comes to allocation of scarce resources! (as if I thought you would!)
DanQ
ooh... an opportunity for extreme obxcure punditry! (not directed at anyone!!)
Hey Igor, I'm just sticking this dippy little post in here, to see if you really read all these pages of pleading for your wares...
I do hope you are either having fun, or getting some work done
... please don't forget my contributory nonsense, when it comes to allocation of scarce resources! (as if I thought you would!)
DanQ
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
Count me in for 2 lenses for the blu-ray
Count me in for 2 lenses for the blu-ray
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
I'm interested in 2 also.
I'm interested in 2 also.
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
I don't think we need any more "I'm interested in #" posts. It has been well established that people are interested. If even half of them actually come through and buy one in the real GB (if it ever happens), there will no doubt be enough to meet whatever 100-lens mark or whatever necessary to get a decent discount.
By the way, when was the last time IgorT even posted to this thread? November? I can't remember...
I don't think we need any more "I'm interested in #" posts. It has been well established that people are interested. If even half of them actually come through and buy one in the real GB (if it ever happens), there will no doubt be enough to meet whatever 100-lens mark or whatever necessary to get a decent discount.
By the way, when was the last time IgorT even posted to this thread? November? I can't remember...
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
SO - Like you know --- i might be interested in a couple lenses -- like maybe a few if i get paid within the next several months then again i like to post like i can afford something as if i had like a job.
Igor --- I committed to two lenses at the start and I am solid on my committment - like you know.
Mike
SO - Like you know --- i might be interested in a couple lenses -- like maybe a few if i get paid within the next several months then again i like to post like i can afford something as if i had like a job.
Igor --- I committed to two lenses at the start and I am solid on my committment - like you know.
Mike
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
But at least there isn't the constant deluge of "oh man, I wish I could buy it if I had any money
" posts like in the BST forum.
But at least there isn't the constant deluge of "oh man, I wish I could buy it if I had any money
" posts like in the BST forum.Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
;D ;D ;D
DanQ
wel, shoot -- I wish I had money, then I'd buy more. What I really want is to have lots of money! Then I could buy all of them, or maybe I'll buy the lens factory, then I'll give them all to Igor for free!Bionic-Badger said:But at least there isn't the constant deluge of "oh man, I wish I could buy it if I had any money
;D ;D ;DDanQ
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
We'll invest all the thousands of dollars on lottery tickets for power ball and split the winnings. Pffft. Although it would make big time news. Internet forum wins lottery!!
We'll invest all the thousands of dollars on lottery tickets for power ball and split the winnings. Pffft. Although it would make big time news. Internet forum wins lottery!!
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
Bump (for the latest arrivals...)
Okay... now I'm up to speed, or at least mostly up to speed. I'll up my order to four (4) of the lenses*. Since you stated that these lenses would only be available via group buys, better safe than sorry
*The lens being number 8 of the 9 tested (aka no. 2 of the "final three", aka broadband, aka one bad-ass mofo, aka who else knows what). This based on what I read a, ah, "few pages back"...:
Just to clear one thing up. There won't be two types of coatings. We could afford two types with any of the first six lenses, but not with these. Luckily these have a broadband coating, which is very good at just around 405nm and 660nm. I did a comparison with a lens coated specifically for 405nm, and there is less than one percent of a difference, resulting from the difference in reflections.
So the broadband is more than just good enough, especially since as it is, the lens brings more of an increase than expected. When i thought the number would be under 20%, 0.8% more could bring it a bit closer.... But we are over 20% even for diodes with the lowest losses in acrylics.
And if one lens can do both, it's both cheaper, less complicated and more practical for everyone...
So we will have one universal lens instead of two. There is no need to specify the coating, because the best lens so far comes with a 400-700nm coating. Basically, everyone just needs to figure out how many they want. They will work with any visible wavelength diode, reducing reflections to less than 1% on average and even less with reds and blu rays...
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It's been like this..
Manufacturer 1:
- v1 - the original custom lens, 30 pieces - FAIL - spherical abberations
Manufacturer 2:
- Doesn't even pick up the phone anymore unless caught off guard, in which case they say "next week".
"Manufacturer" 3:
- v2 - first custom lens rescue attempt, 2 samples - FAIL - bubble gum lens?
- v3 - second rescue attempt, 2 samples - WORKS! Oh wait, no it doesn't? Wait, now it does? - FAIL - astigmatic lens/low quality
At this point i realized i was relying too much on too few manufacturers, and went nuts, and started searching for other options, by writing and calling more than ten new manufacturers.
I found:
"Manufacturer" 3's actual manufacturer:
- v4 - third resue attempt, one sample - FAIL - this is a lens? :-/
- v5 - fourth rescue attempt, one sample - FAIL - this was the first lens that was scratched before i got my hands on it, seems like it was made like this :-?
- v6 - fifth rescue attempt, one sample - FAIL - could almost work, has holes in the beam, quality too low
From the whole bunch v3 and v6 were the best, and yet they were horrible... :'(
v1 was and still is the highest quality lens (precision machined lens), but it's spherical, and as such useless for us.
Here end the cheap lenses.
Luckily i also found:
Manufacturer 4:
- wanted to send representatives from France and Germany for a tour of my company, and to convince me to buy quality lenses at 68 EURO each for one piece and 40 EURO each for up to 500 pieces. They said we could talk about the price, once we get to larger quantities. They just didn't seem to understand that 250 pieces is a HUGE quantity for us... But i did get some usefull info.
Manufacturer 5:
- Lens #1 - WORKS!
- Lens #2 - WORKS even better!
- Lens #3 - increases the power the most, but has gaps in the beam - probably rejects from the high quality version. Not suitable for our needs, luckily this one was free. They were probably hoping that we don't need quality and that they could sell their rejects. The quality version costs twice as much as the first two of their lenses.
So we are now actually at lens 7-9, and v7 (Lens #1) & v8 (Lens #2) are the best so far.... The latter increasing the power the most.
We will go with the 8th custom lens attempt, for max power and thinnest beam. But i am hoping i can also order some of the first lens, because it makes a "cleaner" spot, due to the medium NA clipping the ugly edges of the fast axis, and creates a "fatter" beam..
Lens #2 will bring out all there is, so the spot shape will depend ONLY on the diode output shape. It's the only way to get all the power out, and means, that diodes with a weird shape output will create weird shape spots... As diodes get better, so will the spots..
It is usual in pointers to go for a lossy option, such as clipping the output with a low NA of the lens, to make the spot rounder, cleaner and prettier.
- An AixiZ lens for example actually makes a pretty nice, rounded off spot, due to the low NA of 0.3...
- Lens #1 creates a flatter spot, but still with a slightly rounded off fast axis, because the NA is 0.4.
- Lens #2 has a NA of 0.55 and brings out the entire output and creates a spot in the same shape.
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These [last three lens samples] are high quality precision grade aspherics. Unlike all the others, these were designed for laser diodes. They even have diode window thickness compensation! Other than collimating the beam, their shape also undistorts the spherical abberations caused by the diode window! These are diffraction limited lenses! Lenses where the size of the foused spot depends only on the wavelength! These are lenses, that could write a disk!
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And finally, a nice synopsis:
NA
Lens #1: 0.40
Lens #2: 0.55
Lens #3: 0.60
FL
Lens #1: 6.30 mm
Lens #2: 4.56 mm
Lens #3: 4.02 mm
Coating
Lens#1: 405nm and 660nm
Lens #2: 405nm and 660nm
Lens #3: 408nm
Power Output Improvement (Based on a 6x diode and Aixiz acrylic lens)
Lens #1: +16.6 %
Lens #2: +24.2 %
Lens #3: No Data
Power Output Improvement (Based on a high wavelength PHR diode and Aixiz acrylic lens)
Lens #1: +17.5 %
Lens #2: +26.0 %
Lens #3: +26.0 %
Focusing and Burning (Data still to be properly valuated)
Lens #1: Good?
Lens #2: Some focusing and burning - less than a long FL?
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Bump (for the latest arrivals...)
Traveller said:
Okay... now I'm up to speed, or at least mostly up to speed. I'll up my order to four (4) of the lenses*. Since you stated that these lenses would only be available via group buys, better safe than sorry
*The lens being number 8 of the 9 tested (aka no. 2 of the "final three", aka broadband, aka one bad-ass mofo, aka who else knows what). This based on what I read a, ah, "few pages back"...:
Just to clear one thing up. There won't be two types of coatings. We could afford two types with any of the first six lenses, but not with these. Luckily these have a broadband coating, which is very good at just around 405nm and 660nm. I did a comparison with a lens coated specifically for 405nm, and there is less than one percent of a difference, resulting from the difference in reflections.
So the broadband is more than just good enough, especially since as it is, the lens brings more of an increase than expected. When i thought the number would be under 20%, 0.8% more could bring it a bit closer.... But we are over 20% even for diodes with the lowest losses in acrylics.
And if one lens can do both, it's both cheaper, less complicated and more practical for everyone...
So we will have one universal lens instead of two. There is no need to specify the coating, because the best lens so far comes with a 400-700nm coating. Basically, everyone just needs to figure out how many they want. They will work with any visible wavelength diode, reducing reflections to less than 1% on average and even less with reds and blu rays...
--------------------------------------------------
It's been like this..
Manufacturer 1:
- v1 - the original custom lens, 30 pieces - FAIL - spherical abberations
Manufacturer 2:
- Doesn't even pick up the phone anymore unless caught off guard, in which case they say "next week".
"Manufacturer" 3:
- v2 - first custom lens rescue attempt, 2 samples - FAIL - bubble gum lens?
- v3 - second rescue attempt, 2 samples - WORKS! Oh wait, no it doesn't? Wait, now it does? - FAIL - astigmatic lens/low quality
At this point i realized i was relying too much on too few manufacturers, and went nuts, and started searching for other options, by writing and calling more than ten new manufacturers.
I found:
"Manufacturer" 3's actual manufacturer:
- v4 - third resue attempt, one sample - FAIL - this is a lens? :-/
- v5 - fourth rescue attempt, one sample - FAIL - this was the first lens that was scratched before i got my hands on it, seems like it was made like this :-?
- v6 - fifth rescue attempt, one sample - FAIL - could almost work, has holes in the beam, quality too low
From the whole bunch v3 and v6 were the best, and yet they were horrible... :'(
v1 was and still is the highest quality lens (precision machined lens), but it's spherical, and as such useless for us.
Here end the cheap lenses.
Luckily i also found:
Manufacturer 4:
- wanted to send representatives from France and Germany for a tour of my company, and to convince me to buy quality lenses at 68 EURO each for one piece and 40 EURO each for up to 500 pieces. They said we could talk about the price, once we get to larger quantities. They just didn't seem to understand that 250 pieces is a HUGE quantity for us... But i did get some usefull info.
Manufacturer 5:
- Lens #1 - WORKS!
- Lens #2 - WORKS even better!
- Lens #3 - increases the power the most, but has gaps in the beam - probably rejects from the high quality version. Not suitable for our needs, luckily this one was free. They were probably hoping that we don't need quality and that they could sell their rejects. The quality version costs twice as much as the first two of their lenses.
So we are now actually at lens 7-9, and v7 (Lens #1) & v8 (Lens #2) are the best so far.... The latter increasing the power the most.
We will go with the 8th custom lens attempt, for max power and thinnest beam. But i am hoping i can also order some of the first lens, because it makes a "cleaner" spot, due to the medium NA clipping the ugly edges of the fast axis, and creates a "fatter" beam..
Lens #2 will bring out all there is, so the spot shape will depend ONLY on the diode output shape. It's the only way to get all the power out, and means, that diodes with a weird shape output will create weird shape spots... As diodes get better, so will the spots..
It is usual in pointers to go for a lossy option, such as clipping the output with a low NA of the lens, to make the spot rounder, cleaner and prettier.
- An AixiZ lens for example actually makes a pretty nice, rounded off spot, due to the low NA of 0.3...
- Lens #1 creates a flatter spot, but still with a slightly rounded off fast axis, because the NA is 0.4.
- Lens #2 has a NA of 0.55 and brings out the entire output and creates a spot in the same shape.
--------------------------------------------------
These [last three lens samples] are high quality precision grade aspherics. Unlike all the others, these were designed for laser diodes. They even have diode window thickness compensation! Other than collimating the beam, their shape also undistorts the spherical abberations caused by the diode window! These are diffraction limited lenses! Lenses where the size of the foused spot depends only on the wavelength! These are lenses, that could write a disk!
--------------------------------------------------
And finally, a nice synopsis:
NA
Lens #1: 0.40
Lens #2: 0.55
Lens #3: 0.60
FL
Lens #1: 6.30 mm
Lens #2: 4.56 mm
Lens #3: 4.02 mm
Coating
Lens#1: 405nm and 660nm
Lens #2: 405nm and 660nm
Lens #3: 408nm
Power Output Improvement (Based on a 6x diode and Aixiz acrylic lens)
Lens #1: +16.6 %
Lens #2: +24.2 %
Lens #3: No Data
Power Output Improvement (Based on a high wavelength PHR diode and Aixiz acrylic lens)
Lens #1: +17.5 %
Lens #2: +26.0 %
Lens #3: +26.0 %
Focusing and Burning (Data still to be properly valuated)
Lens #1: Good?
Lens #2: Some focusing and burning - less than a long FL?
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
Pending a final price, I'm probably interested.
Pending a final price, I'm probably interested.
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Re: 405nm AR glass lenses - fit AixiZ FEELER
I am definitely interested in this. I have a PHR on the way, and a possible chance of 26-35% increase in output is pretty epic. ;D
But let me ask a really stupid question. Are we just getting the lenses, or is it the entire screw-on head thing for the AixiZ modules?
I really don't know the proper name for it, but it's this thing I am referencing to.
If thats what we are getting, count me in for 1x!
I am definitely interested in this. I have a PHR on the way, and a possible chance of 26-35% increase in output is pretty epic. ;D
But let me ask a really stupid question. Are we just getting the lenses, or is it the entire screw-on head thing for the AixiZ modules?
I really don't know the proper name for it, but it's this thing I am referencing to.
If thats what we are getting, count me in for 1x!