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I'm necro/bumping this because I just now saw this thread, and it's been making me think a bit. This subject in general is probably a very good one for all of us to at least keep in mind. The encroaching police state will gladly have you believe that you're lucky enough to not be on their radar, but it's just another one of their lies - don't be fooled.
A few things out of the article on optics.org pissed me off:
Governments have done this to themselves. This is what happens when they impose asinine restrictions based on fear-mongering and the obsession with control, rather than on objective, rational facts. If the rules were more reasonable then companies/people wouldn't have to lie to sell their products, and the government wouldn't have to waste so much time and effort enforcing them.
But since the FDA only employs dipshits, I don't expect them to grasp such a simple concept.
POTENTIALLY dangerous is not the same thing as DANGEROUS RIGHT NOW. A gun is potentially dangerous... if you misuse it, or don't know what you're doing. A car is potentially dangerous because it will kill you if it runs you over. The electricity in your house is dangerous... if you use improperly grounded circuits and/or stick metal objects into the outlets. They only become dangerous right now if they are misused, or used without proper understanding. Arguing for regulation/bans on these grounds shows nothing but complete contempt for one's citizens, because it completely assumes that people are incapable of acting responsibly and that they will usually not do so.
Can someone at the FDA please explain this to me: If you're going to raise hell about "dangerous" then why aren't you banning people from buying gallons of gasoline and putting it into containers that they can then carry around? Don't you think that carrying five gallons of highly flammable liquid is DANGEROUS, you morons? I don't see you guarding the gas pumps, please explain the logic of not protecting us from these potential arsonists.
That's the government's problem - their rules MAKE NO SENSE. They scream, yell, and generally shit their pants over one thing, but then ignore a dozen things that are demonstrably worse. How can FDA/government possibly be surprised that people don't respect those rules, unless they really do employ only bona fide idiots?
PROPAGANDA. The "military grade dazzlers" are DESIGNED to comply with the Geneva Conventions because they are WEAPONS INTENDED TO BE AIMED AT PEOPLE. The Class-IV lasers they're mentioning were neither designed nor intended to be pointed at anyone. They aren't weapons, thus they don't need to be considered in terms of the Geneva Conventions.
I'm sure I could find a way to commit war crimes using a car or a steak knife if I really wanted to; should those now be banned/regulated because they are POTENTIALLY capable of violating the Geneva Convention?
They always go on about "using lasers" as weapons, or to point at airplanes, blah, blah, blah. WRONG. People who do those things are not "using lasers", they are MISUSING and/or ABUSING lasers. GET IT RIGHT - show some respect to the people who pay your salary by using the appropriate language.
Lastly, I like how they put up a screenshot (an EDITED screenshot - note the post numbers in the image) of LPF. They post this screenshot of LPF in an article about handheld lasers being used as weapons.
FUCK YOU, OPTICS.ORG.
The use of that screenshot in such an article is inappropriate beyond words. NOBODY on this forum condones the use of our lasers as weapons of any kind, ever. Period, end of story. If they wanted to use the screenshot in an article about customs avoidance, or something like that, that would be fine. It really makes me angry to see them insinuate that we are somehow encouraging or involved with people who misuse lasers to harm others, because that isn't what LPF is about at all.
Obviously optics.org is just one more clearinghouse and/or mouthpiece for the government goons, while masquerading as something reputable and trustworthy. An FDA trojan horse.
Really irritating. They just assume we are all deranged and out to do damage. They don't even give us the CHANCE to be responsible! It's just BAN, BAN, BAN on the basis that every laser is a dangerous weapon and everybody who is interested in lasers is an asshole.
No wonder people try to bypass their restrictions. Sorry if the language I use is harsh but that article is nothing but insult, after insult, after insult.
ETA: One other thing... if the FDA/government is watching this forum then they know DAMN WELL that we really, really hate it when people misuse or abuse lasers. You cannot spy on this forum and miss this fact, because we decry such misuse everywhere. I don't understand why they, knowing this for a fact, continue to lump us in with the idiots, the criminals, and the generally bad. It does little to encourage any cooperation on them at any level.
A few things out of the article on optics.org pissed me off:
bullshit propaganda article said:Non-lethal’ lasers not always as specified
27 Mar 2013
Growing use – by friend and foe – of lasers as weapons in civil unrest and war zones; many lasers labeled “low power” present greater dangers, DES 2013 conference hears. Many supposedly low power laser-based tools, including some laser pointers, widely available over the Internet, are often incorrectly or under-specified.
Governments have done this to themselves. This is what happens when they impose asinine restrictions based on fear-mongering and the obsession with control, rather than on objective, rational facts. If the rules were more reasonable then companies/people wouldn't have to lie to sell their products, and the government wouldn't have to waste so much time and effort enforcing them.
But since the FDA only employs dipshits, I don't expect them to grasp such a simple concept.
bullshit propaganda article said:In conjunction with widely varying international export and import restrictions, this can mean that that potentially dangerous laser systems can easily get into the wrong hands.
POTENTIALLY dangerous is not the same thing as DANGEROUS RIGHT NOW. A gun is potentially dangerous... if you misuse it, or don't know what you're doing. A car is potentially dangerous because it will kill you if it runs you over. The electricity in your house is dangerous... if you use improperly grounded circuits and/or stick metal objects into the outlets. They only become dangerous right now if they are misused, or used without proper understanding. Arguing for regulation/bans on these grounds shows nothing but complete contempt for one's citizens, because it completely assumes that people are incapable of acting responsibly and that they will usually not do so.
Can someone at the FDA please explain this to me: If you're going to raise hell about "dangerous" then why aren't you banning people from buying gallons of gasoline and putting it into containers that they can then carry around? Don't you think that carrying five gallons of highly flammable liquid is DANGEROUS, you morons? I don't see you guarding the gas pumps, please explain the logic of not protecting us from these potential arsonists.
That's the government's problem - their rules MAKE NO SENSE. They scream, yell, and generally shit their pants over one thing, but then ignore a dozen things that are demonstrably worse. How can FDA/government possibly be surprised that people don't respect those rules, unless they really do employ only bona fide idiots?
bullshit propaganda article said:"Such lasers can cost as little as $300, delivering green or blue light. The label says do not use the laser against an aircraft but it also says this is a class 3B laser – but it’s not – it’s actually a class 4 laser. If we compare a nominal pointer like this, the commercially available 800mW or 1W lasers, with the specification of one of the current military-type dazzlers, you can see that the commercial laser is much more powerful and much more dangerous than the military-grade dazzlers."
PROPAGANDA. The "military grade dazzlers" are DESIGNED to comply with the Geneva Conventions because they are WEAPONS INTENDED TO BE AIMED AT PEOPLE. The Class-IV lasers they're mentioning were neither designed nor intended to be pointed at anyone. They aren't weapons, thus they don't need to be considered in terms of the Geneva Conventions.
I'm sure I could find a way to commit war crimes using a car or a steak knife if I really wanted to; should those now be banned/regulated because they are POTENTIALLY capable of violating the Geneva Convention?
They always go on about "using lasers" as weapons, or to point at airplanes, blah, blah, blah. WRONG. People who do those things are not "using lasers", they are MISUSING and/or ABUSING lasers. GET IT RIGHT - show some respect to the people who pay your salary by using the appropriate language.
Lastly, I like how they put up a screenshot (an EDITED screenshot - note the post numbers in the image) of LPF. They post this screenshot of LPF in an article about handheld lasers being used as weapons.
FUCK YOU, OPTICS.ORG.
The use of that screenshot in such an article is inappropriate beyond words. NOBODY on this forum condones the use of our lasers as weapons of any kind, ever. Period, end of story. If they wanted to use the screenshot in an article about customs avoidance, or something like that, that would be fine. It really makes me angry to see them insinuate that we are somehow encouraging or involved with people who misuse lasers to harm others, because that isn't what LPF is about at all.
Obviously optics.org is just one more clearinghouse and/or mouthpiece for the government goons, while masquerading as something reputable and trustworthy. An FDA trojan horse.
Really irritating. They just assume we are all deranged and out to do damage. They don't even give us the CHANCE to be responsible! It's just BAN, BAN, BAN on the basis that every laser is a dangerous weapon and everybody who is interested in lasers is an asshole.
No wonder people try to bypass their restrictions. Sorry if the language I use is harsh but that article is nothing but insult, after insult, after insult.
ETA: One other thing... if the FDA/government is watching this forum then they know DAMN WELL that we really, really hate it when people misuse or abuse lasers. You cannot spy on this forum and miss this fact, because we decry such misuse everywhere. I don't understand why they, knowing this for a fact, continue to lump us in with the idiots, the criminals, and the generally bad. It does little to encourage any cooperation on them at any level.
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