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FrozenGate by Avery

New Law/Criminal Charge in the UK Starting January






Thanks Dave, will be interesting to see where all this leads in the future.

Just my opinion, but most of this could have been prevented by many of today's parents actually giving a shit what their kids are doing.

In other words, since respect for others has seemed to vanish in today's society, I believe it has to do with the fact that today's parents don't kick the kids in the ass early on in development for being disrespectful, so they grow up into young adults that were never taught any better.

If you don't make them suffer for picking up a gum ball that belongs to someone else when they are little, I can almost guarantee you will get a call from mall security one day "We have your kid in our office, just apprehended with merchandise from 2 stores."

And even then, I have seen with my own eyes parents beg the judge for leniency:wtf: Yes they go right up to the bench and make statements like "my kid got in with the wrong crowd, It won't happen again"

With that in mind, why should that kid grow up to care if a laser is going to blind a pilot?? does that kid care if it hurts other people?? hell no.

What kind of mental midget retard can't grasp the simple concept that blinding a pilot is a bad thing to do??????
 
Uhm, i easily see the escalation .....

"You shine laser to an airplane, i give you 20 years of jail."

"Ok, you give me 20 years of jail, then i make it worth the penalty intentionally taking down the plane and kill all."

:p :crackup:

Just kidding, ofcourse ..... anyway, i bet jail and penalties cannot do too much against stupidity ..... education can, but i bet also that noone, in school system, may accept to introduce in the education system a course about "lasers, laser safety, and things to not do with them" ..... :p
 
I've only heard about this sort of thing happening once before, and it was when a guy who lived near the Seattle Tacoma airport runway was throwing a huge booze fueled party. He had bought one of the more powerful green laser pointers, and thought it would be funny to shine the beam in front of the pilots.


"People who are doing these things have to realise it is a criminal offence not a bit of fun and very dangerous,"a spokesman said.[/1]

I can't believe he didn't mention that purposefully increasing the chance of death for a hundred or more innocent civilians is insanely unethical, and not just against the law.
 
Technically, because it has not changed the number of people dying from aircraft related injuries, it has not changed the chance of death one bit.
 
It might be small sure, but it's still possible. I'll grant you that it is unlikely, though. But to say it hasn't changed the chance at all is pretty arrogant. If something does happen, then the fault lies on the one who, by some shot of sheer dumb luck, blinded the pilot and copilot just as an updraft occured, sending the plane careening off the runway at absurdly high speeds.

The point is, that it does put innocent people at risk, and that risk is clearly avoidable. There really is no good reason as to why you'd want to be pointing a powerful laser in the general direction of two guys that a bunch of people may need.
 
Tabris said:
It might be small sure, but it's still possible. I'll grant you that it is unlikely, though. But to say it hasn't changed the chance at all is pretty arrogant. If something does happen, then the fault lies on the one who, by some shot of sheer dumb luck, blinded the pilot and copilot just as an updraft occured, sending the plane careening off the runway at absurdly high speeds.

The point is, that it does put innocent people at risk, and that risk is clearly avoidable. There really is no good reason as to why you'd want to be pointing a powerful laser in the general direction of two guys that a bunch of people may need.
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you are right, put innocent and decent laser fans at risk.
these people will lead more countries' bans on over 1 or 5mw lasers.
 
It was a well made statement, education will indeed be the key to removing these idiots.

The day it'll all change is when a pilot panics, or for some un-related reason crash's while coincidentally a laser happened to be involved, then it's a lethal death weapon that no-one must own.
 
Asherz said:
It was a well made statement, education will indeed be the key to removing these idiots.
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Does anyone really feel that these idiots don't know what they're doing is wrong when they shine an aircraft?

Education has nothing to do with it. You can teach everyone a course on laser safety and law, and you are still going to have a minority of idiots doing it.

There's always that percentage of population which simply does not think or act appropriately, no matter what they have been forced to learn.
 
This then brings into play "The At Risk Fallacy" which is the easy way out for government.
If in a population, 1% or fewer causes harm with a product, device or freedom, then the rest of the population is likely to follow suit. It is much easier to limit access and freedoms to the masses than persue and PUNISH the guilty.

HMike
 
Actually the new offence is rather modest in scope. The maximum sentence is a £2,500 fine. This is proportionate, given that shining lasers onto an aircraft is a nuisance rather than anything posing a real danger.
 
Bit puzzled by this. What actually IS the new law? I live in Britain, will this law only affect me if i decide to shine the laser at aeroplanes or will it affect me for owning & playing w/ lasers?
 
You will pass. In law exams the "correct" answer is not the criterion for a pass, it is that you understand the issues involved and can provide some reasonable substantiation for your conclusion.
 
Exerd said:
Does anyone really feel that these idiots don't know what they're doing is wrong when they shine an aircraft?
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I don't think the thought process even goes that far. I doubt it's more than "SEE PLANE. POINT LASER. WOO!"

These are people "just doing", not thinking.
 
photonaholic said:
Thanks Dave, will be interesting to see where all this leads in the future.

Just my opinion, but most of this could have been prevented by many of today's parents actually giving a shit what their kids are doing.

In other words, since respect for others has seemed to vanish in today's society, I believe it has to do with the fact that today's parents don't kick the kids in the ass early on in development for being disrespectful, so they grow up into young adults that were never taught any better.

If you don't make them suffer for picking up a gum ball that belongs to someone else when they are little, I can almost guarantee you will get a call from mall security one day "We have your kid in our office, just apprehended with merchandise from 2 stores." And even then, I have seen with my own eyes parents beg the judge for leniency:wtf: Yes they go right up to the bench and make statements like "my kid got in with the wrong crowd, It won't happen again"

With that in mind, why should that kid grow up to care if a laser is going to blind a pilot?? does that kid care if it hurts other people?? hell no.

What kind of mental midget retard can't grasp the simple concept that blinding a pilot is a bad thing to do??????
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I totally with You on this one....My Dad whipped my ass plenty, and I did the same with mine...I turned out fine, and My kids grew into well rounded and respectful adults. Parents today don't want to hurt little johnny's feelings....bull crap....Discipline is what's needed and what's missing in the current generation.

Coherent:
 
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