FAKE 150mW Nichia diodes being sold

[jayrob]

I heard that some got mixed diodes in the old PS3 sleds, but that's the first time I ever heard of a PHR diode in a GGW-H20L sled???

Hmmm... I think back to those GBW-H10N sleds that looked just like the GGW sleds, except for the extra heatsink over the blu-ray diode.

But anyway, that's a first from anything I've heard!

But what I meant in my last post, is that for the most part, the GGW-H20L diodes have us 'spoiled' on a pretty consistent diode. (high percentage)

And the BDR-203 seems to be very consistent as well so far. See the 8X compilation graph of all known 8X owners here:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f51/pioneer-8x-blu-ray-bdr-203-a-36790-16.html#post501020

These are the kind of results from testing that we have come to hope for on newer diodes that are supposed to be of the same or better power...
Jay

 

[lasersbee]

Otherwise, the spec-sheet of the 150mW Nichia says Ith: 50-70mA.

The three tested diodes all had 30mA threshold current. In the comparison plots, you can clearly see that the higher power 100mW Nichia and the GGW have higher thresholds. A 150mW diode would have a higher threshold still.

That 50-70ma Ith... slipped by me completely... you are of course correct..
the Ith should be higher than 30mA as tested...

Jerry

 

[FrostyTheDadMan]

This is not an attack on the seller. This is not an attack on anybody. Simple tests have been made to the diode, which do not line up with what the seller claims the results to be- whether the seller did it on purpose or not isn't the issue here. If anyone is the victim, its the L-S-P seller. Who is taking advantage of his kindness? Kind people get tricked too.

Well maybe you do not see it that way but just the title says different to me
"FAKE 150mW Nichia diodes being sold"
We all know who the seller is. that's a no brainier.
I want you all to know, Igort was asking LSP for a refund after he had pushed it past its max Amp rating, that's what I mean by taking advantage of his kindness.
that's what made me so mad because if every one that got one did that that would be a big loss and LSP would have to raise their prices on everything to cover the loss or go out of business then no one would get great service and a good price.
and until a time test is completed no one could say for sure it would not last 1000+ hours
and one last thing, so you all know that I know what I am saying, I am working toward my Masters Degree in Electronics Engineering and I hold a 3.0 GPA.
Now I have said my peace and I am done beating this dead diode

 

[IgorT]

How would you even Know if it could last 1000 hours you pushed it to its death, you pushed it past its Pulsed Wave ratings with a Constant Wave driver! What are you thinking!!!!! I think you need to leave the Laser Research to the people that understand Electronic components because you don't have the basic concept of electronics! That's like putting an 1171 blower on a stock 10 year old engine. :tsk: you will blow it up!
and this thread shows me how much you talk out your Brown Eye!!!!!

yes it is how fake you are!!!! STFU

Wow.

I have said SEVERAL times i do not believe Steve to be of ANY fault here.

I have SPECIFICALLY said, that i DID NOT demand ANYTHING from Steve, and WOULD NOT, unless i was sure he is getting reimbursed by the sellers!

I have also said, that anyone, who only bought one diode, should not be complaining about anything now, as they should have known that there is a BIG risk involved, and that they should be buying it for TESTING PURPOSES, as i did!


I also said, that i find it EXTREMELLY fair of Steve to be offering SF-AW diodes in return for the underperforming "150mW Nichia's", before even knowing for sure (well i guess he might know, but we don't yet) if he is getting reimbursed by the sellers.

And again i have not yet requested anything in return for the three incorrectly rated diodes, not until i can talk to Steve, and make sure he is getting reimbursed by the suppliers (which i hope he is, and not so that i could get something back!).


I am having more than a little trouble seeing how exactly i am being unfair to him here?!? :thinking:



I have just posted my testing data, explained why it doesn't match up to the spec-sheet several times by now.


The ONLY thing i wanted to do with this thread was prevent people from buying these diodes and then expecting them to perform like 8x's, which it is clear MANY DID, and it is also clear, that the diodes don't.

Is it not?




So please elaborate, what exactly did i do wrong, and how was i unfair to Steve?

If you can explain what i did wrong, in a way that makes sense, without getting all emotional about it, then i will do everything in my power, to undo it.


Another thing you could do is show me one example of how any of these diodes fall anywhere even close to the ratings the spec sheet suggests.



Would you like to be able to get real 150mW Nichia's? The suppliers and manufacturers are currently working hard to resolve this problem. There is a small possibility, that they will. If they do, you might get to see real 150mW Nichia's, and then you'll see how they differ from these.

Alternativelly, they can also try to proove that these are real 150mW Nichia's, i even contacted Nichia Japan with the packaging info, asking them, if it is correct. And if they are real, i'll apologize. Altho i don't see how they could be.


But i'm willing to wait to get some replies from them. Are you?

 

[daguin]

Hay Jay How you been long time no type.
Well I have found a Phr803t Diode in a GGW-H20L sled. Explain that one.
that was one that ran at 244 mA and it was comparable to my 6X almost better.

Some of the diodes in the "6X" sleds have the large square "bar code" without the green splotch on them. They visually "appear" to be a PHR. However . . . .

Peace,
dave

 

[FrostyTheDadMan]

Wow.

I have said SEVERAL times i do not believe Steve to be of ANY fault here.

I have SPECIFICALLY said, that i DID NOT demand ANYTHING from Steve, and WOULD NOT, unless i was sure he is getting reimbursed by the sellers!

I have also said, that anyone, who only bought one diode, should not be complaining about anything now, as they should have known that there is a BIG risk involved, and that they should be buying it for TESTING PURPOSES, as i did!


I also said, that i find it EXTREMELLY fair of Steve to be offering SF-AW diodes in return for the underperforming "150mW Nichia's", before even knowing for sure (well i guess he might know, but we don't yet) if he is getting reimbursed by the sellers.

And again i have not yet requested anything in return for the three incorrectly rated diodes, not until i can talk to Steve, and make sure he is getting reimbursed by the suppliers (which i hope he is, and not so that i could get something back!).


I am having more than a little trouble seeing how exactly i am being unfair to him here?!? :thinking:



I have just posted my testing data, explained why it doesn't match up to the spec-sheet several times by now.


The ONLY thing i wanted to do with this thread was prevent people from buying these diodes and then expecting them to perform like 8x's, which it is clear MANY DID, and it is also clear, that the diodes don't.

Is it not?




So please elaborate, what exactly did i do wrong, and how was i unfair to Steve?

If you can explain what i did wrong, in a way that makes sense, without getting all emotional about it, then i will do everything in my power, to undo it.


Another thing you could do is show me one example of how any of these diodes fall anywhere even close to the ratings the spec sheet suggests.



Would you like to be able to get real 150mW Nichia's? The suppliers and manufacturers are currently working hard to resolve this problem. There is a small possibility, that they will. If they do, you might get to see real 150mW Nichia's, and then you'll see how they differ from these.

Alternativelly, they can also try to proove that these are real 150mW Nichia's, i even contacted Nichia Japan with the packaging info, asking them, if it is correct. And if they are real, i'll apologize. Altho i don't see how they could be.


But i'm willing to wait to get some replies from them. Are you?

Posting only over here is like talking behind his back!
So why not post your stuff over there. Quote from Steve can't even defend myself on that Fornicateing forum. end of Quote
So thats What some of us are doing, Me I am just a little more aggressive then the others. I say you Do Not Have the Guts to post this trash over their or else you would have already.

If you all would check out the Fake Nichia post over there you would see why I am so mad at this guy. He is not a man of his word.
A Man is only as good as his word and a mans word is only as good as the Man.
as I said I am done posting over a dead diode

OOH and Dave it was a phr when I saw it I compared it to one I know was a phr the markings were the same

 

[daguin]

OOH and Dave it was a phr when I saw it I compared it to one I know was a phr the markings were the same

That's what I said. The diodes have markings that look the same, but they are different diodes. Just because it had a larger square "bar code" in the same place as the diodes that came out of a PHR sled does NOT mean that they are the same diodes that come put of the PHR sled. Even the bar codes on the diodes out of the PHR sleds have variable configurations to them.

Also, you are reading WAY too much negative emotion into IgorT's posting AND both he and others here have been admonishing others not to try to rip Steve off. IgorT didn't need to post in El EE. He wrote to Steve personally

Peace,
dave

 

[pullbangdead]

people need to understand mass-production they can only test 10 out of 10,000

I just want to post one more time to say that this statement is completely false. Any laser diode manufacturer tests EVERY SINGLE DIODE that comes out of their fab, every single one. I guarantee that Nichia, or any other diode manufacturer, does not sell a single diode that they have not tested thoroughly when it comes out of their fab.

The same is true for IC manufacturers. I worked at a silicon wafer fab that was running at thousands of wafers per day, 12 inch silicon wafers mind you, and even when there are hundreds of ICs per wafer, every single chip got tested thoroughly before it went out the door.



(And since you brought it up, I'm working towards my Ph.D in materials science, have a 3.6 GPA, and my dissertation topic and all my research are entirely based on the fabrication of gallium nitride laser diodes. That said, no matter how much of an expert one is in this stuff, we're all just groping in the dark with this stuff, because we have no data sheets. We're all just making best guesses at this point, and hoping for the best, and doing what we can. Igort is doing a great service to all of us by testing things out, whether you agree with the conclusions or not.)

 

[TheMonk]

I looked at the readings that TheMonk posted on Post #32 of this thread...
It was running at 150mW in the middle of his Current/Power test run...

How long would you guesstimate that the LD would last at that setting...
Which BTW.. is the Data Sheet specified CW Optical Output rating...

Not to mention that the Operating Current at the rated 150mW is between 150ma
and 170ma...

In my opinion... according to TheMonk's chart... I can't see anything not up to spec...

Jerry

I was using 405nm AR coated Glass Lens which puts out ~28% more power than the standar plastic Lens.

155mW / 1.28 = 121mW Kink
323mW / 1.28 = 252mW LEDed

150mW CW should not show Kink at 121mW and 280mW Pulse should not LEDed at 252mW for just a few seconds.

 

[IgorT]

"FAKE 150mW Nichia diodes being sold"

Ok, i'll admit. I can see how the name of the thread could be misunderstood to mean, that i'm calling Steve a scammer.

But if you read my posts, and not just the name of the thread, you'd know how many times i said that i know it's NOT HIS FAULT! That in my oppinion he was ripped off worse than anyone who bought from him, and only for trying to do something good.


That is also why i am not requesting anything, UNLESS I KNOW FOR SURE Steve is being compensated by his suppliers!

And if he IS being compensated by them, where is the problem in getting something in return for the underperforming diodes? It's not like anyone is demanding ACTUAL 150mW Nichia's in return, i think everyone would be happy with the AW-SF sleds Steve offered...



I said in the very first sentence "Sorry for the rushed thread" - i wasn't really trying to make it look pretty, and maybe i should have chosen a better name for the thread.



But my ONLY point was, to make sure people would not go buy them, expecting 8x or even 6x-like results! Because clearly these diodes don't deliver them. That you can not say it's not true, even if you still think that they are the real thing.


And the only reason i posted it in a hurry was, that that very day DrLava told me "You can now get better than GGW diodes fresh from a tray at LSP store"...

I showed him my testing results, he was shocked upon seeing the plots, and he asked me if i posted about it yet - it made me felt guilty for not doing so sooner.




But at no time was ANY of it meant as a personal attack against Steve or his forum or his store.

In fact, i like Steve, and i felt bad for him, when i realized how many of these diodes he bought. That's also why i never requested anything in return, until i'd hear what the suppliers have to say, and if they are reimbursing him.



But while my choice of the thread name may have been bad, i really thought i made EXTRA sure in my posts, that everyone would know, that Steve is at no fault here, and that people should be patient and wait for the suppliers to resolve the situation.

 

[IgorT]

I was using 405nm AR coated Glass Lens which puts out ~28% more power than the standar plastic Lens.

Ah, that explains the higher apparent efficiency and kink position.

Otherwise i'm sure you mean a broadband coated lens, right? Not 405nm coated?

150mW CW should not show Kink at 121mW and 280mW Pulse should not LEDed at 252mW for just a few seconds.

Exactly. And a 150mW Nichia should not be inferior to a 100mW one, right?


Serriously, people, if anyone thinks this has anything to do with L-E forum or it's owner, they are wrong.

This is ONLY about diodes, and what they are like or what they should be like.


And it's about trying to motivate the suppliers to provide Steve with ACTUAL diodes, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE!

And since the suppliers actually responded and chimed in, we should be extatic, that we are getting things done, not arguing about... What exactly are we arguing about?


Anyone, who is not emotionally involved can clearly see that these diodes are not what they are declared to be. And that's ALL this is about.

 

[FrostyTheDadMan]

That's what I said. The diodes have markings that look the same, but they are different diodes. Just because it had a larger square "bar code" in the same place as the diodes that came out of a PHR sled does NOT mean that they are the same diodes that come put of the PHR sled. Even the bar codes on the diodes out of the PHR sleds have variable configurations to them.

Also, you are reading WAY too much negative emotion into IgorT's posting AND both he and others here have been admonishing others not to try to rip Steve off. IgorT didn't need to post in El EE. He wrote to Steve personally

Peace,
dave

No my friend it was exactly the same I had them side by side, you see each batch of Diode that are made only a small amount are tested to to determine the Quality of the diode of that batch and the better the Quality of parts in the diode the higher the power, and after the sled is completed then only so many of those are tested if they don't pass QC then we get them, that was not a mix up in the other sleds, the sleds did not pass QC because they did not reach the expected out put power or so thats what Sanyo's rep told me a while back they do.

Yes I know, what you all do not know is he also told Steve he would not post anything until Steve had a chance to find out from the suppler what was up, But he did not. he posted anyway, you see Steve was going to make things wright before things went wrong, that's why I say he is not a man of his word he did not give him a chance to fix any thing before he posted that's also why I see it as an attack on Steve, Man I would do the same for you my friend as I would do for any and all of my friends if they could not stick up for them self

and one more thing are you still going to test the MMD?¿ If so did you get the update package? let me know if you are going to or not because I am sending out PHR sleds to the testers so they dont put their own Diodes at risk and so every one is on the same page, so I need to know so I can order properly.

 

[FrostyTheDadMan]

I just want to post one more time to say that this statement is completely false. Any laser diode manufacturer tests EVERY SINGLE DIODE that comes out of their fab, every single one. I guarantee that Nichia, or any other diode manufacturer, does not sell a single diode that they have not tested thoroughly when it comes out of their fab.

The same is true for IC manufacturers. I worked at a silicon wafer fab that was running at thousands of wafers per day, 12 inch silicon wafers mind you, and even when there are hundreds of ICs per wafer, every single chip got tested thoroughly before it went out the door.



(And since you brought it up, I'm working towards my Ph.D in materials science, have a 3.6 GPA, and my dissertation topic and all my research are entirely based on the fabrication of gallium nitride laser diodes. That said, no matter how much of an expert one is in this stuff, we're all just groping in the dark with this stuff, because we have no data sheets. We're all just making best guesses at this point, and hoping for the best, and doing what we can. Igort is doing a great service to all of us by testing things out, whether you agree with the conclusions or not.)

I agree with your middle part we are all in the dark and the PHD part thats Great, Gratz the part I disagree with is your knowledge of the production Line.
because you would know that 1 Bo Dine can produce over 150,000 per shift and you are going to tell me that they will test 450,000 per day? I want some of what you are smoking you never worked a production line before have you? I have, many, and I am probably old enough to be your Dad, Books are one thing reality is another. Man are you in for a surprise I have worked for Air-wick I made the Mr Bubble, Rug Fresh, Carpet fresh Woolite, stick up, crystal air, magic mushrooms all in the late 80s early 90s , Contico international we made the sprayer heads for Windex, Ortho and Drackett Co. I did Plastic injection molding and that was in the 80s for them, and Rubbermaid in the late 70s once again Plastic injection molding. you are learning about what I have lived.

 

[pullbangdead]

I agree with your middle part we are all in the dark and the PHD part thats Great, Gratz the part I disagree with is your knowledge of the production Line.
because you would know that 1 Bo Dine can produce over 150,000 per shift and you are going to tell me that they will test 450,000 per day? I want some of what you are smoking you never worked a production line before have you? I have, many, and I am probably old enough to be your Dad, Books are one thing reality is another. Man are you in for a surprise I have worked for Air-wick I made the Mr Bubble, Rug Fresh, Carpet fresh Woolite, stick up, crystal air, magic mushrooms all in the late 80s early 90s , Contico international we made the sprayer heads for Windex, Ortho and Drackett Co. I did Plastic injection molding and that was in the 80s for them, and Rubbermaid in the late 70s once again Plastic injection molding. you are learning about what I have lived.

That's great and all, but NONE of those things are laser diodes. With laser diodes, you HAVE to test every single diode. With silicon computer chips (like your Intel or AMD processor, or your DRAM for your computer, or your NAND Flash for your USB memory stick or the memory stick in your camera), you HAVE to test every single one. And what's a "Bo Dine"? Sure, whatever machine that is can make 150,000 of (something?) per shift, but it takes multiple days to make a laser diode. They run in batches, of course, but each batch takes days to complete.

With injection molding, or shower heads, or a big batch of a chemical, or a food product, they all come out the same. You can test a few, because you know all the ones in the same batch will work equally well. THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR LASER DIODES. Have you ever made a laser diode? You can have a wafer with 10 laser diodes in a row on it, and you have no idea which ones work and which don't, or how well any of them work. You can dice all the lasers out of the wafer, package them all, and when you're done, it's a 100% crapshoot to see which work and which don't. You can literally have 2 laser diodes, right next to each other, the same exact thing happened to both of them, and they're only 200 micrometers apart, and have one of them be the best you've ever made, and the one right next to it might not work. LITERALLY. You HAVE to test every single one, or half of the diodes you sell aren't going to work at all, and the other half are going to have specs varying all over the place. Even if all the diodes work (ha! like that happens), you can have power varying over 50%, you can have wavelength varying by tens of nanometers, EASILY. Here's a little blurb that mentions binning in semiconductors: Karma for MPUs: is chip binning burning up? - Between The Lines - Blog on EDN - 1480000148

Chip binning has always been fascinating to me on many levels. What is it? It’s essentially a practice in which chip manufacturers design a chip to hit a targeted speed grade, say for example 2GHz, but after the chips are manufactured and tested, manufactures find some of the chips perform at the targeted speed grade of 2GHz, some perform at higher than 2GHz, and even more perform at lower speeds than that targeted specification number (some of those lower performing chips may perform at 1.8 GHz, others at 1.5 GHz and some at 1 GHz…and lower).

But instead of throwing out the chips that didn’t hit the targeted performance specification, some semiconductor vendors, especially microprocessor vendors, sell most of them to us, the consumer. They simply put them in bins according to speed grade and price them accordingly. In processors for example, the processors that are the highest speed, essentially overclocked processors, traditionally sell for a premium and go into gaming machines. The ones that hit targeted performance go into high end home computing and business PCs. The ones that didn’t hit their targeted performance go into lower cost PCs and the very very lowest ones get thrown out. Very little is wasted.

Now tell me, how can they bin chips according to performance, if they don't test each one to find out what its performance it? THEY CAN'T. They test every single one, and so do laser diode manufacturers. Low-power lasers go in readers, higher-power diodes go in burners, it's as simple as that.

With all due respect, plastic parts have amazingly high yields, but laser diodes and computer chips do not, it's a whole different world that really can't even be compared. You can make a few thousand plastic sprayer tips, and as long as some work, they'll all be the same. But laser diodes are an entirely different ballgame, and you must test every single one, or else you won't even know if it works at all.

And again, I did work in the fab (that's what they call the factory in the semiconductor industry) for a giant silicon IC manufacturer, I guarantee you have used their products in your lifetime, and they test every single chip before it goes out the door.



ETA: there are some typos, some pretty egregious, if you see one I'll fix it

 

[IgorT]

I was surprised to discover, that i got a reply from Nichia today..


I wrote them an inquiry a couple of days ago, based on the photos i got from the supplier.

The photos showed the trays with the stickers, with Diode Model, Serial No., Tray No. and Prod. date...


This is what they had to say:

Dear Mr. Igor Teichman,

First of all, please know that our laser diodes can be procured directly from us only.
The laser diodes now you are using should be fake or be violative ones.

Anyhow we cannot provide any our supports for such laser diodes which have been unofficially procured.

Thank you in advance for your thoughtful understanding of the above.


with best regards.
Tonto
*******************************************
Toshiaki Ito, Manager, LD Sales
NICHIA CORPORATION
13F Tamachi Center Bldg. 5-34-7 Shiba,
Minato-ku, Tokyo 108-0014 Japan
TEL: +81-3-3456-3108 FAX: +81-3-5440-7330
*******************************************

Unfortunatelly this reply does not satisfy me. Because it doesn't address the questions i asked.

Basically they are just refusing support, because diodes were not bought from them.

Their assertion that they are fake, is based on the fact, that evidently no one else is alowed to re-sell their diodes (you have to sign a contract in blood i guess)....

This is also what "violative ones" means - diodes that were procured by a buyer violating the contract and re-selling them, a contract that evidently binds every Nichia LD buyer not to re-sell the diodes (this explains why that chinese laser show factory was so worried about it)...


They did not however answer the questions i had. But since i now have an email address, i will be able to ask those questions again and show them photos and the spec sheet.

Another thing i should ask is, if there is such a thing as a Korean Nichia OEM for Samsung manufacturer, since the diodes are supposed to come from there.


And the last thing i should ask them is if they have any 150mW laser diodes and how much they cost...




EDIT: I just sent Mr Toshioki the email with the specific questions, photos of the tray and the spec-sheet of the diode, to see if such a diode even exists...

I also asked, that if they are the only proper supplier, in that case what high power diodes can they supply, and what their pricing is like..

In order to make it all look official, i wrote the email from my company email address and signed with the full company name (Research & Developement, etc).... I found in the past, that it often helps a lot, when one wants to get answers. :angel:

 

[IgorT]

what you all do not know is he also told Steve he would not post anything until Steve had a chance to find out from the suppler what was up, But he did not.

Did i really say that?

I will carefully go through EACH email and PM i wrote, to find WHERE i said it. And if i did, i'm gonna regret not talking to Steve before posting...


However, even if i did say that (and i don't remember it, while normally i remember things like that VERY WELL!), i waited for three or maybe even four weeks before posting ANYTHING. I should check how long ago it was, when i first sent him the test results, but it was a LONG TIME AGO!


The only reason i posted was, because DrLava made me feel guilty for not doing so sooner, when he asked me "Have you posted this info yet?" upon seeing the results...

At that moment, i realized:
1. That the diodes are still for sale and
2. that people still expect 8x or at least 6x-like results from them!


And i don't think ANYONE can disagree with the fact, that they don't deliver 8x nor even 6x-like results!

And since they were still being sold, i thought it would be wise to warn people not to buy them with false expectations.




If Steve and i really had such an agreement as you describe above, then i would also expect him to remove diodes from sale UNTIL HE HAD A CHANCE TO FIND OUT FROM THE SUPPLIER WHAT WAS UP (to put it your way)...


Now wouldn't that make MUCH more sense than just me waiting with posting the results?!? :thinking:

Or at least mentioning on the diode sale page, that there is a certain serious doubt regarding the thruthfulness of the specs of the diode, if not removing them completelly, until the matter was resolved?

I somehow expected the diodes to be removed from sale, until the matter was resolved, i don't know why.... Just like Steve expected me not to post the results for the same amount of time? Looks like we both had false expectations....

But i really need to check what / if anything we agreed on, other than that i would test the diodes, and later that i would help him proove to the supplier that the specs are not correct.




Thing is, i did not post this thread, to hurt Steve in ANY way!

I already told you - i like Steve! And i'm horribly sorry, if i offended him in any way...

I'd love to be able to buy good diodes from his store at any time (instead of having to deal with the lying Chinese always scaring me about stock running out, to make me buy more faster), and i'd love to cooperate with him in the future!


That's why i keep repeating, that STEVE IS OF NO FAULT HERE, and that HE WAS RIPPED OFF WORSE THAN ANY ONE OF US WHO BOUGHT THESE DIODES FROM HIM, simply for trying to do something good for everyone.

I also kept repeating, that PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT A DIODE WITHOUT WAITING FOR TESTING FIRST, SHOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING NOW, AS THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOW, THAT THEY WERE TAKING A RISK, AND BUYING THE DIODES FOR TESTING - that's what i bought them for!


From all of us, Steve took the greatest risk, when buying a whole stock of these diodes.... He lost WAY more money, than ANYONE who bought a diode (or three) from him, unless he gets his money back from the supplier, or real diodes in the end!


I was sad about losing my money, when i saw the test results, but i also felt bad for Steve! That's why I NEVER REQUESTED ANYTHING FROM HIM, at least until he could resolve the matter!


I will carefully check all my emails and PMs to Steve, to see what we agreed on..

But no matter what, i still believe, that it would not be right to have people buying these diodes expecting 8x or even just 6x-like results from them.




STEVE, If you are reading this: If i offended you in ANY way, i apologize!

Please understand, that this thread was at no time meant to be about YOU OR your store!

This thread was about you getting ripped off by a supplier!

And it was about warning people not to expect 8x or 6x-like results from these diodes , because clearly they did expect them, and clearly the diodes can't deliver them...


Later your supplier posted here, and the heading of this thread changed into your supplier getting ripped off by their supplier or manufacturer!


But at NO TIME was the thread about YOU doing anything wrong! It was always at least one and later even two steps away from that!



I sent you multiple emails with every graph and explanation i posted here, only in higher resolution (the originals, before resizing them for posting), every email i sent went to two of your email addresses simultaneously.

I hope that you got them! If you did, then PLEASE respond to one of them, so we can talk.


And if i really said i wouldn't post until you could resolve the matter (i'll check VERY CAREFULLY), then i have to apologize to you!

However in that case i don't understand why you would not have removed the diodes from sale for the same amount of time. If it wasn't for people telling me "you can now get 8x or 6x like diodes fresh from a tray", i would not have posted this thread!