i am sure that germany went further than almost all other countries, in all aspects. but then again, mankinds phantasy is almost unlimited..
I didn't start the thread jack, but I may as well finish it...
Japan went further than Germany by a ridiculously wide margin, and neither can stand up to the creativity of historical figures that are widely revered today, at least in terms of actual cruelty. For the most part, Germany was looking to do legitimate research. Unfortunately on people who did not volunteer. The same was mostly the case for the United States in the modern Tuguskee experiments and the Scandinavian research on adrenalin use in EMT practice. Not so much for Japan, although much of it had legitimate
wartime uses.
From this, the world took a great leap forward in intensive care medicine and triage.
Such knowledge always comes at a price, and it is rarely paid by volunteers. In Iraq, during the First Gulf War, a doctor from my country (which was occupied by the Nazi during WW2) was working at a field hospital that treated civilians. They had to use napalm in a bathtub to dispose of all the body parts and corpses. At one point, he realized how to improve the survival rates after massive crushing injuries and explosive damages, knowledge which he then disseminated. You will benefit from that knowledge if you ever have a limb smashed, for instance. But who do you have to thank for that knowledge? Who paid the price?
A young boy paid the price.
He was collecting mines to support his family, because there was a bounty on mines that were turned in undetonated, since there was great difficulty in clearing out the minefields that threatened civilian and military both. The family was dirt poor, and the bounty was a substantial amount. Maybe something like the cost of a PHR diode. Unlike the Jews, these kids weren't being rounded up and put in a camp. He was sent out by his parents, in order that the family might not die from starvation. He was not the first kid that family lost that way, nor was he the last.
But he was the one who bought you better medical care at the price of his life.
Doctors need to keep a clinical detachment to their research subjects.
Many need to keep the same detachment to their patients.
You don't go into the cancer ward expecting that it will be a pleasant experience, or that you will feel good about it at the end of the day. You go in there knowing that people will die under your care today, that there will be crying and screaming and despair, but mostly just grim resignation and polite, forced smiles from desperate and disillusioned people who are just trying to pull through yet another day in hell. Go home at the end of the day. The
patients will be there when you come back in the morning, just like every day you see them. Not neighbours, not friends, not people. Patients. They come, they go. Usually, they come back. Eventually, they go. Can't hold on to them all.
You don't come into the forensics lab expecting to be greeted by lots of hundred year olds who look like they're just sleeping. You know you will see kids missing half their face, bags with dead babies in them, women with their purse still fused to their melted skin, and that there will be the inevitable sample glass with some small quantity of an unidentifiable but distinctly biological mass that constitutes the earthly remains of what used to be some unkown person. Then you get to figure out what to tell the families of those you
do manage to identify, while meticulously moving the last few maggots from a corpse into a sample container... wouldn't want to get sloppy just because lunch is coming up, after all. That's the last of'em, now you can eat. For a moment think about... nah... best not. Best leave the
subject behind, think about the game on sunday instead.
When enough propaganda is poured into a country to make its people, doctors included, see a segment of the population as rats, or as a disease, then there is nothing unusual, or even inhuman, about going on about the business of cutting them, burning them, liquefying them, injecting them with poisons and diseases, and so forth. It's business as usual, except it just so happens that it will give you more accurate data (yay!) than the guinea pig you did the same thing to last week. A moments pause to consider if... no, that would be disturbing. Not like it's people. That would be hard to face.
Subjects. Much better. That's it. Subjects. Lights out. Come back tomorrow. Maybe get the wife something nice when the paycheck comes in.
You will perhaps note that the gas used to kill jews is the same as the United States uses in gas chamber executions, which means that either it is humane, or the executions carried out with it in the US were illegal under the section of the law which regulates the humane aspect of executions. There were two exceptions, and in those cases, carbon monoxide was used instead, which is hardly the worst way to go (that's what people die from when they put a hose to the car window from the exhaust and leave the motor on).
Germany circa 1930~45 deserved a lot of flak.
However, they were also demonized in hindsight, with people preferring to believe that the German people were evil, or directed by out-and-out evil people, rather than believing that the road to hell begins with one small step, then another small step, then another small step... until you're half way there. Humans are not the kind, gentle souls one might want to believe. Nor are we all that good at keeping track of what's happening around us. Else, the US population would have been at the White House with guns years ago, after GWB gave himself the
exact same privileges that Hitler conferred on himself, in
exactly the same way, with
exactly the same justification. All you needed was another plane through a building, and you'd be back in the 30's, except it would be Muslims this time, not Jews.
Antisemitism wasn't a bad word back then, just like racism wasn't a word in the Old South. It was just the way people saw things. The way people have always seen things. In every language of the world, there's been a word for people (effectively, "us," as opposed to who ever "them" might be), and one or more words for those who either look differently (The Red Man (colonials about native americans), Aswadim (middle easterners about nubians)), those who speak differently (barbarian is from the graeco-roman way of saying "blah blah"), those who believe differently ("heretic", "communist", "infidel", "fascist", "undemocratic", etc.) and so forth. It is hard wired into the reptilian part of our brain, but we have the ability to shift where we draw the line, and it pretty much comes down to "familiar" vs "different" if you don't apply propaganda to it. One day, there's going to be a word for what went on at Gitmo, you betcha.
No doubt Germany did a lot of things that are reprehensible.
They were not the first to do any one of those things.
They were not the last to do any one of those things, except the systematic approach in constructing detention centres for the demonized enemy
du jour, unless you count Silvia Berlusconi (Italy) and George W. Bush (USA). That would be a tenuous comparison, though, since their respective detention centres did not get so full that the problem needed a Final Solution, and their respective cultures were not yet so convinced as to buy into one. All it would take to change that, though, would be another airplane for the US. Not sure about Italy.
And, at the end of the day, World War 2 put an end to public acceptance of antisemitism, cemented democracy as the gold standard of government, changed eugenics from a bright idea into something to be safeguarded against at all cost, led to great insight into how a human being acts under pressure from authority figures, established standards for ethical research, entrenched the notion of war crimes, significantly advanced women's liberation, and so forth.
Pretty much everything we value in the modern, western lifestyle is a response to WW2.
It's a mixed legacy. A great price was paid. But something good came out of it.
History is written by the victorious, all else is covered by
vae victus.
How we view Nazi Germany today tells us everything we need to know about how it could happen in the first place, if we just pause to reflect carefully on it. To dismiss everything with superficial, knee-jerk reactions and conditioned responses is to dismiss every lesson we could possibly hope to learn from the millions slain. That would do no credit to their memory, I think. Nor would it do justice, one way or the other, to history.
Education is reflecting on cause and effect, not memorizing popular conclusions.
"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." - William James.