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chipdouglas said:
if you use nail polish then you would not get the fluidness/randomness of the other techniques. Well i guys you might if you flicked in on like with a popsicle stick or something but not with the brush.

michael.
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perhaps drizzle some on a piece of parchment paper and roll the barrel over it. you might be able to get a little more creative with this method as far as splash design goes. just remember that the nail polish will be the negative of what you want. anything under the nail polish wont come off.



ANOTHER THOUGHT!!!! i think this might be an the greatest idea ever so grab your chair.

Use the nail polish and splash the polished barred before the anodizing process. after anodizing do the acetone wash and your left with the anodized aluminum with silver splash!

Did your chair just go sliding to the other side of the room? i know mine did.
 
Hey Ken,

Been quite a while. Still got one of the first Krytons and a Kenometer, as well as bunches of stuff, all still working fine. As for working with the acid, I think I recall mixing it with some flour??? To achieve a gel/past form. But its been many, many years, so it may be something else. But sure there are ways to gel it up some. Let ya know if I find out what is needed for sure.

And great looking beasts they are, great job.

Take care, Joe
 
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joenobody said:
Hey Ken,

Been quite a while. Still got one of the first Krytons and a Kenometer, as well as bunches of stuff, all still working fine. As for working with the acid, I think I recall mixing it with some flour??? To achieve a gel/past form. But its been many, many years, so it may be something else. But sure there are ways to gel it up some. Let ya know if I find out what is needed for sure.

And great looking beasts they are, great job.

Take care, Joe
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Heat the acid and add corn starch maybe?

the heated acid will also react with the anodize faster so less can be used. at least in theory.
 
You cannot use acetone on a dyed surface it will literally eat the unsealed anodized surface and make it so that it won't take the dye at all. If you apply the polish prior to anodizing, your going to corrupt your acid bath by putting other chemicals in the bath, not to mention how do you remove it if you can't use acetone, plus how do we know that the polish won't come off in the acid. This is a crapshoot by trying to come up with our own ideas of how to do this. There are tried and true methods of even going so far as painting onto the anodized surface with the raw dye.

You can use corn starch to apply the dye or the acid however your still limited by the same problems.. the amount of time involved in doing the custom anodizing. As it is, the fade effect is a custom feature, and by going even further to add in silver splashes is an even longer process than the basic color fade or marble. I can mask the areas for the dyes prior to dying them with rubber cement (which will not be removed by the acid or the dyes) This would leave your silver splashes, but then I have to go through and remove minute particles of glue gobs left all over the surface of the barrel. No matter which way I go, it's going to be a lot of work. I'm not apposed to doing so, just it's more important that I finish the majority of the other barrels I've put on the side in trying to do a custom anodized job I had previous indicated were going to be difficult or potentially impossible. so, I'd say my success, however limited when I wasn't even sure I could do it, is pretty doggone impressive.
 
Ken,
I totally understand, that thought of just jelling the acid enough to work with and not just run/drip around the barrel, just passed between my ears for a second, so I shot it out there. And for sure, you did a great job already, no complaints here.
Take care.
 
joenobody said:
Ken,
I totally understand, that thought of just jelling the acid enough to work with and not just run/drip around the barrel, just passed between my ears for a second, so I shot it out there. And for sure, you did a great job already, no complaints here.
Take care.
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Heh, this is not to say that I can't/won't do eet, just that right now, getting these others done prior to this one specialty piece, is not my highest priority. I sometimes say what I think and my feelings are not properly conveyed over words on a screen. I don't want anyone to think I'm not willing to do what they want.

I've bent over backwards so many times I can't even count it and at some point and time, I'll stop because my back just can't handle it any longer.
 
Kenom said:
well, with the purple, I hit it with bleach and allow the dye to leach out. With blue, it is almost instantaneous. With purple, it still leaves behind a trace of purple behind, and I have to hit it with acid afterwards to get rid of the last vestiges of purple. Only problem is as I described earlier, it's a curved solid surface and the acid is just like water. It has a tendency to roll off the side and I needed to use a small paint brush to paint on the acid. It has to be pretty strong right were I put it or it has no effect at all and a small thin layer of acid isn't going to do any good. So precision just isn't much of an option. If however, I hit the ENTIRE barrel with acid, it leaches out the color I don't want to go away.

Here you can see it before the acid has been applied but after the bleach. You can see in the blue that it's nice and clear where I applied the bleach, but the purple still has a lot of purple left behind.

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Here it is BEFORE bleach or acid.

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Here is what I did last night.
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Plus I fiddled with a laser graphic on the end of the focus adapter. It's only a demo I plan on doing something a little more "artistic" than the simple star on this focus adapter.

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Purple one is purrrrdy:)
 
Xtrm2Rick said:
jibs driver requires 2x lithium cell so you would need 2x cr123

and since the kryton groove uses a 18650 it can also fit 2x cr123

to say it simple the normal kryton groove is what your looking for......
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yeah...thats what i was going for....i just wish it was thinner...its a little too bulky and big for me...i wish it was ~3/4" x 5.5"

it would still fit everything...its just smaller
 
xXDUNNXx said:
yeah...thats what i was going for....i just wish it was thinner...its a little too bulky and big for me...i wish it was ~3/4" x 5.5"

it would still fit everything...its just smaller
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yes for Cr123 it is a little bulky i used strips of tape inside the barrel to keep the Cr123's in tight so they wont rattle.

For kenom to get just 1 or 2 made of these "mini kryton grooves" it would cost him and you to much i gues, since its no mass production.

Your best bet would be to get it made by a member here and perhaps make a deal with Kenom to get it anodized. just make sure that kenom is OK with it that you would use his design, dont wanna go insult people right? :p

It actually is a pretty cool idea to get some smaller kryton grooves to fit 2x Cr123, perhaps its a nice idea for Kenom for the next group buy, if that will ever happen, im not to sure how Kenom thinks about that...
 
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Kenom said:
Heh, this is not to say that I can't/won't do eet, just that right now, getting these others done prior to this one specialty piece, is not my highest priority. I sometimes say what I think and my feelings are not properly conveyed over words on a screen. I don't want anyone to think I'm not willing to do what they want.

I've bent over backwards so many times I can't even count it and at some point and time, I'll stop because my back just can't handle it any longer.
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Np ken, Please take your time.. I dont have any problems with waiting a few more months for a my groove :) I never ment to sound ungrateful i completely appreciate all of your hard work and effort going into these. please keep up the good work!
 
Wonderful, now I've run into the wonderful issue of my bath being too warm. Needs to remain about 60-70F and I'm getting into the 75F range. This makes it so that the anodized layer isn't growing properly. Throwing ice into the bath isn't an issue as the filtered water still contains contaminants so I'm going to have to go out and buy some dry ice to throw into my bath at the beginning of the runs I do. I shudder to think how warm the bath would get if I wasn't doing my batches in the middle of the night, but instead during the warmth of the day.

The side effect of the bath being too warm is the dye after sealing will continue to wipe off. It should never do that. More expenses. I am happy to report that I've gotten rid of 99% of the pits on the remaining barrels by throwing them in the lathe and cutting off .010" - .020", and now I'm in the process of polishing all the barrels back up again so that they all are nice and shiney. GOD I NEED A LATHE!!!
 
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