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ISIS the terror machine

Isis from what I am getting from Al gazzeria is a menace and needs to be stopped. According to Jordan state television that Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, Pakistan and other middle eastern countries want this stopped as soon as possible. The king of Jordan has been offering huge sums of money to mercenaries looking for work. ISIS needs to be stopped
 





What's with the rumor ISIS was originally started by the CIA as a destabilization plan for southwest Asia and the middle east in order to begin the dominos falling for a new order?
 
Isis from what I am getting from Al gazzeria is a menace and needs to be stopped. According to Jordan state television that Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, Pakistan and other middle eastern countries want this stopped as soon as possible. The king of Jordan has been offering huge sums of money to mercenaries looking for work. ISIS needs to be stopped


What's with the rumor ISIS was originally started by the CIA as a destabilization plan for southwest Asia and the middle east in order to begin the dominos falling for a new order?

More like a new disorder. I've heard some talk about this on the radio quite a few times now. There are too many countries being destabilized, it doesn't make sense that it's just coincidence. As for ISIS I think we created them by funding and arming the Free Syria Army rebels that are fighting the Assad government. Then some of them went rogue and became ISIS. Wether that was intentional or by accident I don't know.

Alan
 
At this rate, this reminds me of Nazi Germany killing jews and nothing was done about it until millions died.... When I was a kid I wondered why it took the US so long to get in the fight and stop that kind of madness, here we are again folks... we are doing little to nothing. I have little hope for us as a species these days, is that wrong or correct? We are a warring species and kill our own, history has proved it over and over again, the cycle continues. Culture and education can go a long way to curbing the problem, but it doesn't prevent it. Only thing I can think might help is if we can engineer human beings to be smarter as well as more tolerant of one another, would that be an answer? Is tolerance always a good thing? I don't want to be tolerant of ISIS, they are far too intolerant. I don't know the answer and am not even sure there is one in regard to our ability to be inhumane to one another. Perhaps there is still hope for the future when we finally decide to stop this kind of crap with one another, but what will it take, WWIII and 90% of humanity obliterated?
 
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At this rate, this reminds me of Nazi Germany killing jews and nothing was done about it until millions died.... When I was a kid I wondered why it took the US so long to get in the fight and stop that kind of madness, here we are again folks... we are doing little to nothing. I have little hope for us as a species these days, is that wrong or correct? We are a warring species and kill our own, history has proved it over and over again, the cycle continues. Culture and education can go a long way to curbing the problem, but it doesn't prevent it. Only thing I can think might help is if we can engineer human beings to be smarter as well as more tolerant of one another, would that be an answer? Is tolerance always a good thing? I don't want to be tolerant of ISIS, they are far too intolerant. I don't know the answer and am not even sure there is one in regard to our ability to be inhumane to one another. Perhaps there is still hope for the future when we finally decide to stop this kind of crap with one another, but what will it take, WWIII and 90% of humanity obliterated?

I think it took so long because the countries in the region should have been able to deal with it, but all to often something very small can grow into something very large and dangerous and then it can be too late.

You are correct to have little hope for us. The differences in language, race, religion, political and economic systems, education, ***ual orientation, what we eat, standard of living, etc. are problems we can't overcome. Once you learn about them and what they believe, it is human nature to say we don't need their kind around here. It may take too long for us to all become more alike and then tolerate each other.

If we start genetically engineering humans, the genetically enhanced humans once their numbers are large enough will then decide they are superior and they should be the ones running the world.

I once had hope that the people of my generation would have grandchildren that would grow up in a world of Star Trek level technology where everyone could have everything they need. I now believe they will find themselves in a post war wasteland where people kill each other over water and scraps of food.

The problem with ISIS is more complex than I think some of you understand. Moslems still maintain that the Moslem world must always have a calif as head of the community, their goal is to reestablish the Caliphate. This would be one country one government they are all loyal to. We have two countries competing with each other to become the new Caliphate. One calls itself the Islamic state and the other calls itself the Islamic republic (Iran). They are in competition with each other because they represent the two main factions of Islam, Sunni and Shiite. This is the reason the Saudi led coalition of 11 countries have gone to war in Yemen, it is a Sunni Shiite war, and it will come back and bite the Saudis in the ass and we won't be able to save their ass. The new Caliphate will of course have to control the holy cities of Mecca and Medina (the city of the prophet), both of them in Saudi Arabia, the birth place of Islam, yes Saudi Arabia will fall. When that happens I suppose you should expect $7 a gallon gas. Once the new Caliphate is established and they have a smart leader that unites all of Islam, then they will come for us, probably beginning with Eastern Europe as they attempted so long ago.

Alan
 
If everything comes to pass like that, there might be the possibility of a radioactive Mecca someday.
 
If everything comes to pass like that, there might be the possibility of a radioactive Mecca someday.

It won't matter if there's nothing left but a hole in the ground, it will still be a holy site, a holy hole in the ground.

Alan
 
It won't matter if there's nothing left but a hole in the ground, it will still be a holy site, a holy hole in the ground.

Alan

Do you think they'd bow down in the middle of a bunch of fallout though? I know some of them are crazy but...
 
When it all comes down to it. ISIS is a plague. They go around bulling others and killing innocents. I can not stand people killing others just for a belief. Muslim, Christian, does not matter the religion, belief, ideal what ever they think. People have been doing this for years and years. It is part of the human condition. We have it all in us. This is just part of our make up. Humans can do some really messed up things to each other and ISIS is just a another example of this
 
Do you think they'd bow down in the middle of a bunch of fallout though? I know some of them are crazy but...

Yes they would. We are talking about the same people who riot and kill over cartoons, and believe in an afterlife with 72 virgins. The radiation would have to be of such a level that it would have a nearly immediate effect.

If on the other hand the radiation dosage is high, but not so high as to result in immediate effects... say highly increased risk of cancer and birth defects, you can bet people would still keep going there. I'm sure some imam would also come along with claims of a vision of how it's a test from allah or some such bs.
 
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Wow that gives new meaning to death by firing squad, a single round from an AK will kill someone just fine, no need to over do it, but it's better than getting burned to death or having your head slowly cut off with a large knife.

Alan
 
Since this thread got a bit of a revival, I'll just leave this here. (SFW)

And yes, I do understand that very few Muslims go to this kind of extreme, but why the hell would you follow a religion that teaches this kind of crap in the first place?
 
And yes, I do understand that very few Muslims go to this kind of extreme, but why the hell would you follow a religion that teaches this kind of crap in the first place?

There's some pretty violent and/or weird verses in the bible as well.

People see what they want to see. When some people read the bible they see only the stories of the Good Samaritan, Jesus feeding 1000 people, ect. Others see the parts about sins, hell, and judgement day.

In my opinion the problem is with the people, not the religion. There are people that do outreach in the name of their religion, and there are people that take take up arms in the name of their religion.

Most religious people are not extremists. It just seems like the crazies make up a lot more than they do because of all the media attention they get.
 
There's some pretty violent and/or weird verses in the bible as well.

People see what they want to see. When some people read the bible they see only the stories of the Good Samaritan, Jesus feeding 1000 people, ect. Others see the parts about sins, hell, and judgement day.

In my opinion the problem is with the people, not the religion. There are people that do outreach in the name of their religion, and there are people that take take up arms in the name of their religion.

Most religious people are not extremists. It just seems like the crazies make up a lot more than they do because of all the media attention they get.
Of course. No religion is without fault, which is one of the main reasons I personally don't choose to follow one. Infact, didn't god kill like 2 million people in the bible whereas Satan only killed a handful? I believe people should do what they think is morally right, not what some book tells them.

The reason I posted this is because yeah, it's pretty freaking extreme. "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

AFAIK that's not in any other holy-book, although some do approve of killing in certain verses.
 
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Most religious people are not extremists.

Perhaps. But it's a lot more widespread than you think it is.

"A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2010 found relatively widespread popular support for the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy in Egypt (84% of respondents in favor of death penalty), Jordan (86% in favor), Indonesia (30%), Pakistan (76%), Nigeria (51%), and relatively minor support in Lebanon (6% in favor) and Turkey (5%)." Source

In my opinion the problem is with the people, not the religion.

Sure, "good people" may be generally good, and "evil people" may generally be evil, but religion has the capacity to make otherwise moral people do wicked things. An example from the late Christopher Hitchens

 


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