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FrozenGate by Avery

CNI GB #8 Order going in 3/21!






glad to know you found it, Traveller.

the link you have is outdated, here is the new catalog for pointers/portables

they claim to only offer the PGL-III-M host for 532nm and 640nm, but they can do virtually any other module/wavelength you please (often with different power level limits, due to size and heatsinking issues). It's really a great host and I'm glad it caught your interest.

peace & thanks
-cmak
 
I'm probably going to want to pony up some cash for a tasty yellow laser in May or June...
 
any idea what power output, mrbear? If you're planning on getting a power output beyond that which is available in the GLP pen host, consider the PGL-III-M discussed earlier in this thread, as it is a great alternative to the standard PGL-III-C's.

also Glenn, sorry for bombarding you with the questions for CNI, but do you think you could also inquire about the prices for 20mW-CW and 30mW-CW 473nm modules (CNI calls them 'cores') in the PGL-III-M-size? It would be greatly appreciated.

peace & :thanks:
-cmak
 
I think it was "yobresal" who was also interested in the PGL-III-C-532nm-800mW quote. I talked to "ava" from CNI:

PGL-III-C-532nm-800mW/Unit Euro1000.00 (~$1330)

+ They also have a 100mW PGL-III-C-589 :D


UPDATE
PGL-III-C-589nm-100mW/Unit Euro1150.00
 
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cmak, did you get my PM about the PGL-III-M-671's? -- Glenn, could you look into the PGL-III-M-671's :)

Yeah, I know, everyone's wanting Glenn to do a lot :P
 
yes, Aryntha, I did get your PM and it was very insightful :thanks:

great news about the 100mW 589nm PGL-III-C's, DJNY! This confirms that the technology keeps advancing, and we are getting closer and closer to PGL-III-M's over 50mW! Did CNI quote you on the 100mW?

peace & thanks
-cmak
 
This confirms that the technology keeps advancing, and we are getting closer and closer to PGL-III-M's over 50mW!

I hope this bodes well for the actual specifications of our GB#7 589's :)
 
the link you have is outdated, here is the new catalog ... they claim to only offer the PGL-III-M host for 532nm and 640nm, but they can do virtually any other module/wavelength you please (often with different power level limits, due to size and heatsinking issues).

Thanks for the link. I don't know why CNI can't "clean up" their website... :rolleyes: What is it about the "M" hosts that you like? Their slim-line appearance (i.e. fin-less heatsink) or the clicky at the back of the unit? I don't like "handhelds" in general, but at this price-point, I can't cope with the idea of spending $400 on a pointer... :p

Having said that, I don't care of "C" batteries and so I am avoiding hosts that use it (PGL-III, PGL-III-A, PGL-III-nnnF*) which basically leaves only the C and M hosts, both using the 18650.


*What do you guys think about this option from CNI:
"Adjustable focus can be offered for all CNI portable lasers upon request."
I'm still not sold on the benefits of this "type" of focus** i.e. it does not help to focus to a pin-point for burning like the local Aixiz-based lazors... :-/ I'm also not certain what that would do the the list price... these puppies are already expensive enough as is, lol...

**specs list 1,5~14mrad divergence (& source dia 1.5mm) which pretty much shows that the focue mechanism is not intended to "support" pin-point / macro focus for burning...
 
Traveller, the PGL-III-A (aka Nova 'Alpha' Series) uses CR2's and I do believe IIRC they have a fatter version for higher powers that runs on an 18650... but yea the M series is amazing, and you can ask CNI to put a side-clicky instead of a rear clicky (or in my case a side-momentary) and it works out quite nicely for pointing (as opposed to burning) purposes. I think of it as a step-up from a standard pen pointer host, but not a burner host. Burner hosts should focus on heatsinking, should be fairly even in terms of how it sits on a surface (if you get what I mean...), and don't have as much importance on size. Personally I love the rather-compact size, the military style, the IR filter being in the ap-cap, the 18650-batt, the durability (dust-proof and dare-I-say waterproof?) and well because it's a CNI and I'm a big fan :D

hope that was fairly insightful :p

oh and it pisses me off that CNI is now making 532nm GLP's (CR2 Version) in excess of 250mW (275mW Nova Endeavor series??? COME ON!) and STILL no word on M's over 200... :spank:

peace & thanks
-cmaki
 
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Traveller, the PGL-III-A (aka Nova 'Alpha' Series) uses CR2's and I do believe IIRC they have a fatter version for higher powers that runs on an 18650... but yea the M series is amazing, and you can ask CNI to put a side-clicky instead of a rear clicky (or in my case a side-momentary) and it works out quite nicely for pointing (as opposed to burning) purposes. I think of it as a step-up from a standard pen pointer host, but not a burner host. Burner hosts should focus on heatsinking, should be fairly even in terms of how it sits on a surface (if you get what I mean...), and don't have as much importance on size. Personally I love the rather-compact size, the military style, the IR filter being in the ap-cap, the 18650-batt, the durability (dust-proof and dare-I-say waterproof?) and well because it's a CNI and I'm a big fan :D

hope that was fairly insightful :p

oh and it pisses me off that CNI is now making 532nm GLP's (CR2 Version) in excess of 250mW (275mW Nova Endeavor series??? COME ON!) and STILL no word on M's over 200... :spank:

peace & thanks
-cmaki

The PGL-A (the NOVA Alpha) is available in several wavelengths- 473nm, 532nm, and 405nm. I'm sure more wavelengths are available upon request.
The 532nm version is available in AA and 18650 battery configuration.
The 405nm version runs on 2 CR2s.
The 473nm version is built to accept 1 CR123A.
They are all the same size, with the length varying 1-2mm depending on battery type and module length.
The PGL-A is slightly smaller than the PGL-M.

In my personal opinion, I think that the PGL-III-A is a superior host to the PGL-III-M.
I think the PGL-M is great, but I love having an aperture shutter and the cylindrical design is more appealing to me.
When I get my yellow, I am positive I will ask CNI to put it in a PGL-III-A.
I may even get a second blue in the same host. Hell, maybe I'll get a green PGL-III-A too, just to match.

Also, I don't think that the PGL-M is waterproof. It looks like it can be modified to be water resistant with relative ease, but I don't think it's "dunkable" as is.

Regarding the >200mW PGL-Ms...
If you want a laser that is not advertised on their site, you will need to contact them directly and make a special request. Be prepared to shell out some extra $$$, though.
The reason sites like Laserglow and NOVA (sister companies, by the way) are able to provide high power units like the 275mW Endeavor or the 40mW Rigel is because these companies buy their stock and sort them based on output power, then put each unit through a quality check. The absurdly efficient ones are rare "freaks" and these units are not part of the regular supply.
It would be difficult, if not impossible, to produce "freaks" regularly, which is why CNI does not advertise them.

All lasers are NOT created equal.

Not only that, but I would not be surprised if CNI does not update their product list as often as they should.

Also, for those of you that are into the high power handhelds, the PGL-III-C, while a bit larger, is not "un-portable." In fact, I am usually surprised at how small it is, considering the fact that my PGL pumps out more than 0.65W of green.
The PGL-A, M, and C series are all too large to fit in the average pocket comfortably, so consider this when making your purchase.
 
... but yea the M series is amazing, and you can ask CNI to put a side-clicky instead of a rear clicky (or in my case a side-momentary) ... Burner hosts should focus on heatsinking ... the IR filter being in the ap-cap

The PGL-A ... The 532nm version is available in AA and 18650 battery ... 405nm version runs on 2 CR2s ... 473nm version is built to accept 1 CR123A ... I think the PGL-M is great, but I love having an aperture shutter ... the PGL-III-C, while a bit larger, is not "un-portable." In fact, I am usually surprised at how small it is...

Thanks for the loads of useful info, gents :beer:

If I'm honest though, the "permutations" of bodies, switches, security and even power sources are a bit overwhelming. Particularly since Glenn's list is rather generic... :-/ If you order through Glenn, do you [get to] specify exact details, or do you get whatever CNI defines as "PGL-III-A for Glenn's GB"...?

Regarding the "A"'s power source(s), my bad; actually the high-powered 150-200mW versions need an 18650 and somehow they've managed to maintain the same size host :) The only thing I don't get is this HUGE PIN sticking out the side (towards the rear...) - what's up with that? I've only seen this host from CNI's own PDF and the pics are pretty low-res; anyone aware of a review on LPF*?

*Seems that Avery's rigged the search engine to ignore certain labels, because entering CNI, Viasho or heck, even "PGL-III" gets you zilch... but that's a topic for another thread...

Last but not least (and I do thank you for your time and effort :beer:), I didn't quite catch the differences in aperature between the A & M models (or C model, for that matter). So you say that the IR filter is in the cap itself (M model)? Does this mean it can be removed (for testing purposes only)? As for the A model, you mention "shutter"; so it's a cap vs. shutter deal... Argh! CNI's pics are terrible... I can't even see the A's shutter...

They should let me (or Pierce) take the pics for them :p
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*EDIT*
Actually, Glenn doesn't even list the A models... :-/
Also, he's duplicated a few entries / I wonder if it was just a typo & there should be an "A" in there somewhere... ;)

New CNI Focusable Green lasers:
PGL-III-532F-100mW/Unit $275
PGL-III-532F-150mW/Unit $355
PGL-III-532F-200mW/Unit $405

Like Spartan, the PGL III-M-532 nm series lasers:
PGL III-M-532nm 100mW $190
PGL III-M-532nm 150mW $235
PGL III-M-532nm 200mW $360

Portable Green for 18650 battery, PGL III -C-532 nm:
100 mW $285
200 mW $375
300 mW $465
400 mW $695
500 mW $945

PGL III -C-532 nm:
100 mW $285
200 mW $375
300 mW $465
400 mW $695
500 mW $945

Focusable Green lasers:
PGL-III-532F-100mW/Unit $275
PGL-III-532F-150mW/Unit $355
PGL-III-532F-200mW/Unit $405
 
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Thanks for the loads of useful info, gents :beer:

If I'm honest though, the "permutations" of bodies, switches, security and even power sources are a bit overwhelming. Particularly since Glenn's list is rather generic... :-/ If you order through Glenn, do you [get to] specify exact details, or do you get whatever CNI defines as "PGL-III-A for Glenn's GB"...?

I think it should be no problem making a "special" order through Glenn's GB, but I think most orders are placed for products that are as advertised.
You'd have to ask Glenn that one.



Regarding the "A"'s power source(s), my bad; actually the high-powered 150-200mW versions need an 18650 and somehow they've managed to maintain the same size host :) The only thing I don't get is this HUGE PIN sticking out the side (towards the rear...) - what's up with that? I've only seen this host from CNI's own PDF and the pics are pretty low-res; anyone aware of a review on LPF*?

Last but not least (and I do thank you for your time and effort :beer:), I didn't quite catch the differences in aperature between the A & M models (or C model, for that matter). So you say that the IR filter is in the cap itself (M model)? Does this mean it can be removed (for testing purposes only)? As for the A model, you mention "shutter"; so it's a cap vs. shutter deal... Argh! CNI's pics are terrible... I can't even see the A's shutter...

Yeah, CNI's photos are ridiculous! It's hard to make out any details...

The PGL-III-M has a "normal" aperture... just a hole in the cap for the beam to pass through. The IR filter is placed behind this aperture so it acts as a window.
In all other lasers except the "Rigel" (yellow pens) the IR filter is built into the module. As far as I know, the M series and Rigel are the only lasers CNI produces with a removable IR filter on the aperture cap.

The PGL-III-A has a shutter. This means that, like the PGL-III-C, you can close the aperture so that light does not exit and dust does not enter.

I found this:
YouTube - Alpha 105 Review
It should give you a good idea of how the laser functions as well as what the safety pin looks like.



Actually, Glenn doesn't even list the A models... :-/
Also, he's duplicated a few entries / I wonder if it was just a typo & there should be an "A" in there somewhere... ;)

Glenn usually only lists what there is interest in.
I think the prices for those are listed in one of the previous GB threads, but I can't be sure if the prices have changed since.
 
...CNI's photos are ridiculous! It's hard to make out any details... The PGL-III-M has a "normal" aperture... just a hole in the cap for the beam to pass through. The IR filter is placed behind this aperture so it acts as a window. The PGL-III-A has a shutter...
Thanks again for the info :thanks:
I didn't realize the "A" was the same laser as the Nova Alpha. Nova has better pics, if not perfect. Do we know who sells the M edition? I know that the C edition is Optotronics' RPL, so only the M is still a mystery.

The comparison may be moot though, as I am really aiming for a 532nm laser that puts out >300mW average. Thus, the A is out and the M may not get me there either... :undecided:

EDIT: Laserglow has great pics of the "A" host. As a matter of fact, their site rocks... :)
 
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