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I've been interested in using binoculars too, but they all have prisms in them to turn the image back upright and cause extra loss, right?

On the multidiode host, I have one with RGB diodes in it but find aligning the beams to be perfectly parallel a challenge, I can get them close, but not perfect. If you have a mutidiode host built, better include some adjustment mechanism to be able to align them, or maybe expand them all together into a common output lens if you want to make white, or close to white. I want to do that myself someday with just three diodes but I need a host head which allows me to get the individual diodes as close as possible together in the center without using aixiz modules, machined to directly insert the diodes into the head next to one another, otherwise if spaced even a half inch the beams shoot out in highly different directions if going through a common collimation lens. However, I believe if you use a very large collimation lens, I'm talking six inches diameter (150mm) or more, the center of the lens is flat enough that the beams might not separate much, even if spaced a half inch, so that might work for me. Also, if expanded enough, I am hoping the beams won't look like they are separate and overlap but there is another problem, each color has a slightly different focal point through a simple PCX lens. Maybe if I can find a acromatic PCX lens with two or three sections glued together the R,G,B' colors won't be at different focal points. The focal distance problem for the different wave lengths in cameras is called chromatic aberration, it's the same problem when using a single lens for three different colors in a laser pointer too.

When thinking about using such a large output lens of several inches, it's like; oh man, that's too wide, my beam will be diluted too much! But, if you do the calculations for how wide a beam becomes due to divergence, even with a 1.2 mRad DPSS laser which is considered to have low divergence, you will find the beam gets wider than six inches in less than 500 feet and after five miles is huge, compared to the thin little beam it was leaving your pointer to start, so a six inch beam expander really isn't that big, and keeps the beam fairly narrow for a long distance. Use this online calculator to see what I mean: http://tinyurl.com/spotsize

For example, a 1.2mRad 3mm diameter laser pointers beam will be over 12 inches wide after just 1000 feet! Compare that to using a six inch wide output lens with the beam expanded to fill most of it, after 500 feet the beam is only about a half inch wider, after 1000 feet only about one inch wider; a small fraction of expansion compared to a normal pointers expansion from the effect of divergence. When pointing into the night sky with our average 1.2 to 1.5 mRad divergence laser pointers the beam looks like it goes on forever as a small diameter beam, it isn't, its getting wider fast, you just can't tell from your own vantage point with the laser.

Phew... I didn't mean to write a book on this one post... just some food for thought.
 
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Hey Alaskan; I thought all binoculars had those righting prisms in them too, but not the one I used... Totally baffled me. Two convex lenses, no prisms, but the image is crisp and upright/not mirrored. Very strange...
 
What model is that? Maybe if the distance from the objective lens and the eye piece are far enough apart beyond the focal point the light rays cross again and thus upright? I will have to study this more to understand what is going on.
 
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So sorry Alaskan, mistake due to Mr. Bumblefućk over here. Should've checked earlier, but the eyepiece lens is actually concave. That explains it. Neglect to fact check on my part ;)
 
I do this all the time with DPSS 532's
They used to have a gradient index and focusing lens after the crystal set to infinity.
But everyone wants to light matches, so now they come focused to a needle thin line and no matter how much you adjust the output/focus lens you can't get a good infinity focus.

So I just junk the little focus lens and use a larger lens, in this case about 17mm with a longer focal length giving me a slide focus that can put a much tighter dot a lot farther away and a really nice emerald green laser beam at night.

Actually being a slide focus I can put the tight dot at the distance I want in an instance, I have become a big fan of slide focusing because it works so well.
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Of course this is simple with single mode and DPSS but multimode diodes have an additional set of problems.
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There's a light misting tonight, you can see it in the beam and my hand is not as super steady as it should be, but I wanted to include a beam pic.
You know 532 DPSS diode pumped solid state lasers use a 808nm diode to pump a two part crystal, the 1st half to convert 808 to 1064 and the 2nd part to double 1064 to 532 then the gradient index lens is actually a little double concave to expand a not too bad beam then the doublet is the final focus lens. There is also sometimes an IR filter to stop stray 808/1064 from getting out and the 808 pump diode sometimes has its own tiny lens between it and the 2 part crystal.

Now with multi mode diodes even if we reshape the beam with cylindrical lenses we still have the problem of it being multi mode.
Single mode 660nm diodes put out 660nm, that's about it, but a multi mode 638nm puts out a lot of 638 and some 637 and 639 then a little less 636 and 640 and so on, so we are not focusing just one single wavelength and just like a searchlight it can be focused, but not like a perfect laser beam.

Try un focusing a 445 sometime and slowly turn the power down, you can watch the surrounding lines on both sides of the center wavelength disappear.

Sorry for the long winded thought, the way we get rid of multimode stigmatisms in professional light shows is by mechanically blocking the surrounding wavelengths like you see techingredients do in his videos on youtube.
But just like expensive camera zoom lenses focus white daylight, there is a way to do it with enough lenses, but it's likely to be a PITA.

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Thanks for sharin Red! Awesome, that slide focus is smart. Scotch tape and construction paper/cardboard tubes? Whatever floats yer boat :crackup:
The great thing about pros is their internal focusing system, so I too can adjust the focus through the beam expander. Light clouds have rolled in, it's amazing to see the pin-sharp dot on the bottoms of them. Oh yeah, wrapped it in elek-chicken's tape, gives a nicer look:

Next I gotta think of a way to make it removable and attachable, not a permanent fixture. I got a reeeaaaally clever idea in store, I'll have to fire up the old lathe to create it :)
 
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lol @ elek-chicken's tape.
That stuff likes to get sticky over time.
Tape and cardstock is just a temporary proof of concept and lens fine tuning deal, although some temporary things do end up spend their lives that way as we get busy with bigger projects, but that's ok too.

Spend less money and have more fun, as long as you like what it looks like and have fun then that's the most important thing.

I'm not spending all my money worrying if my toys will be aesthetically pleasing to others, sure it's nice to build a few show queens to be proud of, but when experimenting and prototyping my form follows function and that has a beauty of it's own.

I know you feel the same way I'm just saying it. :)

Oh and I don't mind using my stuff and getting it scratched up, it's like the old saying, it's not the soldier with the best shiny new equipment you need to be afraid of, it's the guy wearing worn out boots with his rifle's hand guard tapped on that's learned to survive by any means necessary.
 
Gabe --
I use PVC pipe fittings since some of it slips together
for focus. Good work -- you learned a bunch.
HMike
 

There's a low-quality photo of the actually quite sharp dot on the clouds. It looks larger than it really is on camera.
You said it Red, more bull than ballerina when it comes to aesthetics. Which is why I'm a little nervous about making my own hosts with eye-pleasing attributes as the number one priority. Not usually my style, but I think I'll like it :)
On the subject of chickens tape, I find it's usually the el-cheapo stuff that gets all gooey on ya. Once had to clean up a lab laser PSU with that nasty melted tape in there, it was like somebody discharged their 'bodily fluid' in there. Ugh.
EDIT: Hemlock, I didn't even see your comment! Haha. PVC is actually a genius idea for this... Why didn't I think of that?? Thanks friend.
 
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There's a light misting tonight, you can see it in the beam and my hand is not as super steady as it should be, but I wanted to include a beam pic.
You know 532 DPSS diode pumped solid state lasers use a 808nm diode to pump a two part crystal, the 1st half to convert 808 to 1064 and the 2nd part to double 1064 to 532 then the gradient index lens is actually a little double concave to expand a not too bad beam then the doublet is the final focus lens. There is also sometimes an IR filter to stop stray 808/1064 from getting out and the 808 pump diode sometimes has its own tiny lens between it and the 2 part crystal.

Now with multi mode diodes even if we reshape the beam with cylindrical lenses we still have the problem of it being multi mode.
Single mode 660nm diodes put out 660nm, that's about it, but a multi mode 638nm puts out a lot of 638 and some 637 and 639 then a little less 636 and 640 and so on, so we are not focusing just one single wavelength and just like a searchlight it can be focused, but not like a perfect laser beam.

Try un focusing a 445 sometime and slowly turn the power down, you can watch the surrounding lines on both sides of the center wavelength disappear.

Sorry for the long winded thought, the way we get rid of multimode stigmatisms in professional light shows is by mechanically blocking the surrounding wavelengths like you see techingredients do in his videos on youtube.
But just like expensive camera zoom lenses focus white daylight, there is a way to do it with enough lenses, but it's likely to be a PITA.

I don't think that's how it works. Multimode diodes are so called due to their multiple transverse modes. You're referring to multiple longitudinal modes, which is a different beast and serves to determine coherence length (which is pretty much irrelevant to us).

There are single (transverse) mode diodes that have a not-so-narrow bandwidth, for example this one. Some even emit multiple lasing lines (like the 980nm on my sig).

The lines you mention are the multiple transverse modes and are not necessarily composed of different wavelengths.
 
I don't think that's how it works. Multimode diodes are so called due to their multiple transverse modes. You're referring to multiple longitudinal modes, which is a different beast and serves to determine coherence length (which is pretty much irrelevant to us).

There are single (transverse) mode diodes that have a not-so-narrow bandwidth, for example this one. Some even emit multiple lasing lines (like the 980nm on my sig).

The lines you mention are the multiple transverse modes and are not necessarily composed of different wavelengths.

I don't have a way to measure them, but they look different, or maybe the additional lines around the center are just not as bright.
But when focused into the night sky even with a 3 element you can see the astigmatism around the brightest center beam.
That may be the other axis, but if you rotate 90 degrees then it seems not.
Also if you read the spec sheet it seems to vary and we know some such as the NUBM07E shift with current, that is the center shifts.
The NDB7875 says min 435 and max 455 the typical is just a dash mark but we know it's around 445.
I will read more about the terminology you used, but locked into a single wavelength is not what the spec sheet says, and a 20nm spread I have not seen via current manipulation, but I could be wrong.
I'm always learning and I will read about what you said, Thanks.

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Those specs don't mean every diode can lase in every WL from 435nm to 455nm. There's a lot of variation during the fabrication process, those are just the upper and lower limits of what you should expect from a diode being driven at 1.2A. Some diodes will be bluer and some will be redder.

They tend to exaggerate those numbers, I've never ever heard of a 7875 going below 440nm.
 
Those specs don't mean every diode can lase in every WL from 435nm to 455nm. There's a lot of variation during the fabrication process, those are just the upper and lower limits of what you should expect from a diode being driven at 1.2A. Some diodes will be bluer and some will be redder.

They tend to exaggerate those numbers, I've never ever heard of a 7875 going below 440nm.

Yes a lot of what I have just been reading about multi transverse mode laser diodes is theoretical, but one thing I found seems as if it really depends on how the substrate is made.

A multi-transverse-optical-mode heterojunction diode laser characterized by wavelength control of its output. The wavelength control or the control of multi-transverse-optical-modes may be achieved by, for example, selectively etching a layer to partially remove it and possibly followed by epitaxial regrowth, or by selectively converting a layer to an insulating material of a different refractive index, or by selectively modifying the optical properties of a layer by ion implantation, or by selectively modifying the optical properties of a layer by impurity-induced vacancy disordering.
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Why is the center different? Is it just brighter or is it like the definition I read of multimode with peaks around the center wavelength that are not the same?
This is not a very good diode, but regardless of the amperage the center wavelength always has darker looking lines above ad below, could this not be a different wavelength, could it not be responsible for some of the astigmatism when focusing far field?
 
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My only laser besides an integrated red one (my profile pic is a laser from a wireless keyboard), 30mw 532
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We just sorta assumed they'd show up... what with the lasers and all...
 





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