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Lol Dave... That reminds me of the Asian doctor on that movie knocked up... He was talking about centimeters but it can work here too

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Communities evolve over time, itís unavoidable. People who fit in stay. People who do not fit in do not stay. Itís a fact of life. But... we seem to have moved beyond that, somehow. To something more on the offensive.

Iíve noticed that new members are being run off with more frequency (or Iím noticing it more often), because they started their LPF career by asking a question when *GASP* they should have used search. Letís be fair here Ė Iíd not be around if Kendall (of HTD) hadnít put up with a few dumb questions regarding my first laser build. Now, I wonít flatter myself and say that the forum would be missing a key member if I had been run off, but I definitely wouldnít be here. If I had been chased away, some people would probably have less gray hair. Ahem, daguin, c0ldshadow, lasersbee, grenadier, the list goes on...

Take two threads from my early days here for example:

http://laserpointerforums.com/f53/gas-laser-safety-45315.html

In this one, Iíve asked about handling a HeNe laser safely. I even paste a blurb from the FAQ, but Iíve obviously not chased down every bit of reference material out there. The people that answered the thread did so remarkably patiently, and didnít tell me to use the search engine.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f53/laser-dot-danger-43384.html

In this second one, I did some basic math and thought I might have proven a basic safety tenet wrong. Instead of running me off, people explained that there are more factors to consider and helped to elucidate them right there in that thread. Laser safety was firmly reinforced without the aid of torches and pitchforks.

So, I asked a dumb question. And I posted a thread thinking I might have outsmarted a bunch of people before me. But no one yelled at me to use search, or told me how much I was spamming, or how stupid my threads were. Instead, people took prettymuch the same amount of time to draw some useful information from their own experience and type it in the reply box. Instead of sending me away, they sent me in the right direction with information that I could take and continue learning independently.

And what would have happened had those threads gone in a different direction and Iíd been left negative reputation until I faded to oblivion? Well, Iíd probably be on LaserCommunity, or worse Youtube, burning things with lasers with no regard for the hobby.

What is gained by being mean to someone whoís posted, asking a dumb question? Well, perhaps a little bit of time is saved by not having to field an answer for them. If they leave, the community has gotten rid of a potential leech.

But what can be gained by being helpful? We cultivate another potentially productive member. We help to ensure that our hobby has a future. Even if the member is just given some search terms and a thread to read to get them started (as opposed to putting the information straight in their thread), it still helps them out. Even if itís said that they should use search next time. Itís still shown them that this community is a good place to stay and learn about lasers.

If they do turn out to not learn and keep on posting threads asking dumb questions with no regard to trying to find out for themselves, then sure. They probably donít fit in.

But until then, why not just be kind? We stand to lose much more than we stand to gain by chasing people away who have made the simple mistake of asking a question that we see as stupid.

I believe those who bait new members by being pointlessly cruel deserve the ban Ė not the member who was baited. Even just nicely telling someone to use search and leaving them a few keywords takes less time than formulating a cruel post. I'm just as guilty of doing this as the next person, but as much as I can I'm trying not to do that anymore.

I know I canít change the community alone, and I know the community canít change overnight. But why not try?

Why not hang up the torch and pitchfork in favor of giving new members a little bit of a grace period, a mulligan on their first post? Why not exhibit a little bit of mercy and help a new person out? Why not spend less than sixty seconds helping the future of the hobby? Why not try to remember where you came from?

Why not show a shred of humanity?

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This OP is one that we all need to keep in mind- I personally know of a few folks that would have been a super asset to LPF- but the rudedogs(who do NOT speak for me!) ran them of with their dumbass replies.

First impressions go both ways-and how we respond can make a HUGE diff.

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This OP is one that we all need to keep in mind- I personally know of a few folks that would have been a super asset to LPF- but the rudedogs(who do NOT speak for me!) ran them of with their dumbass replies.

First impressions go both ways-and how we respond can make a HUGE diff.

it fine to type all the trash you want-- just have enough smarts to NOT click 'submit'

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It is very telling that your comment is just as timely today (2013) responding to this thread from 2011.

The people and times change
The "problems" remain the same
That is because it is NOT individuals in the community causing the problems
It is the newcomer's inability to fit in that causes the problems

Once again . . .
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It is the job of the newcomer to adapt to the community NOT the job of the community to adapt to the newcomer

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It is very telling that your comment is just as timely today (2013) responding to this thread from 2011.

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^^^ And that's they way it SHOULD be..IMHO..

and why I sometimes post comments like.. ".. and its just good manners to intro yourself before heading to the open bar and free food at our 'little party' we call LPF.

For some interesting reads pick any member at random ( or even better one that is being maybe a little hard on a newcomer) and see what their first-ever posts and threads look like... I did not make a(IMO) proper first post myself- but DID later do it properly and was glad i did..sometimes we DO kinda get a second chance to make a first impression.

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Can't believe I'm coming up on 5 years on this forum.....
He!! you've been here a month longer than I have...
That last 5 years went by WAAAAYYY too fast.....


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Try coming up on 6 years .. No life .. Check!

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For some interesting reads pick any member at random ( or even better one that is being maybe a little hard on a newcomer) and see what their first-ever posts and threads look like... I did not make a(IMO) proper first post myself- but DID later do it properly and was glad i did..sometimes we DO kinda get a second chance to make a first impression.
How do you find your first post if you have a lot of posts? The board limits the number of posts in the search to 500, so that sets the oldest message in the list to about July last year.

I do know that I didn't write an introduction post on the forum. Most of the time if I join a message board it's to ask a question or for something like a group buy -- not so much to join a community. For that latter it takes more time, and I might just respond to posts if I see them. I joined CPF for that reason to get in on a GB for a laser, and didn't really stick around after that point.
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