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Wicked Lasers Sonar Elite Review






Rob said:
OMG, I'm so jealous! LOL Any idea if you'll still get it?
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No idea, probably not :(

They've been having some problems with high powered Spyder III units, though the lower powered models seem to be doing just great.
 
nikokapo said:
No idea, probably not :(

They've been having some problems with high powered Spyder III units, though the lower powered models seem to be doing just great.
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Well that's a shame, sorry to hear that.

I hope that someday soon somebody here would get one of those 473nm units to review, I'm quite curious to see what they're like.
 
Rob said:
Well that's a shame, sorry to hear that.

I hope that someday soon somebody here would get one of those 473nm units to review, I'm quite curious to see what they're like.
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Same here, we've been especulating about many things regarding the Spyder III construction... I guess we'll just have to wait :p
 
Nice review. Good Pics. That laser looks sweet, but is it sweet enough for it to cost over $500....no. I coult make that laser where I work on a CNC for less than $150...including the shinny coating. $250 is the absolute maximum that this laser should ever cost and that's still with a generous profit.

It's too bad that it is priced so high....it truely is a thing of beauty.
 
iskor12 said:
Nice review. Good Pics. That laser looks sweet, but is it sweet enough for it to cost over $500....no. I coult make that laser where I work on a CNC for less than $150...including the shinny coating. $250 is the absolute maximum that this laser should ever cost and that's still with a generous profit.

It's too bad that it is priced so high....it truely is a thing of beauty.
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Sure, actual production costs can be very low, but you must also take into consideration the process of designing all these new units.
People often overlook this part of production when design is a very important, and under-appreciated, part of the process.
When something looks and feels this good, you know there was a lot of time, effort, and money invested in the development.

Good artistic design is something WL seems to pay close attention to, and this is part of what justifies the cost of Wicked's 2010 series.
Besides the look and feel, there are other things to consider. Coated lenses, manufactured specifically for this purpose, for example, surely cost a pretty penny (how many 1mm beam diameter <1.2mRad Violets do you see these days?). Also, I doubt Wicked buys Blu-Ray burners, harvests the diodes, and runs them well beyond their rated specifications like we do here.
There are many builders here that do impressive work, but WickedLasers is not a hobby shop.

Also, if you check what Laserglow sells their Electra Pro series for, you may reconsider your statement "$250 is the absolute maximum that this laser should ever cost."

I'm not saying that I would pay that much for a 20mW violet, but taking all this into consideration, the price seems right. IMO.

Don't yell at me... I'm just trying to be fair!
:)
 
RA_pierce said:
Sure, actual production costs can be very low, but you must also take into consideration the process of designing all these new units.
People often overlook this part of production when design is a very important, and under-appreciated, part of the process.
When something looks and feels this good, you know there was a lot of time, effort, and money invested in the development.

Good artistic design is something WL seems to pay close attention to, and this is part of what justifies the cost of Wicked's 2010 series.
Besides the look and feel, there are other things to consider. Coated lenses, manufactured specifically for this purpose, for example, surely cost a pretty penny (how many 1mm beam diameter <1.2mRad Violets do you see these days?). Also, I doubt Wicked buys Blu-Ray burners, harvests the diodes, and runs them well beyond their rated specifications like we do here.
There are many builders here that do impressive work, but WickedLasers is not a hobby shop.

Also, if you check what Laserglow sells their Electra Pro series for, you may reconsider your statement "$250 is the absolute maximum that this laser should ever cost."

I'm not saying that I would pay that much for a 20mW violet, but taking all this into consideration, the price seems right. IMO.

Don't yell at me... I'm just trying to be fair!
:)
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those were really good points you made.
it does seem as though WL really takes time and care into making the design on these lasers so perfect and precise.
they really out do themselves with these host.
but it just bothers me that for a 20mW laser they would charge that much
even though it included all the design processes you mentioned.
but hopefully, in the future they drop their prices
just a tad bit lower than the regular price.
 
I'm just saying that with the proper machines and materials....this laser should never cost that much.

Sure...it looks nice and feels nice and it might have cost them a little bit of money to design it, that still doesn't justify the cost of this laser. To produce this laser...especially in china, should only cost a fraction of this price.
 
The price looks exorbitant to me. It works out at ~ US$ 30 per mw.

This compares with 50 cents per mw for this: DealExtreme: $47.99 100mW 405nm Blue-Violet/Royal Purple Laser Pen (2*AAA) (which I will be reviewing shortly)

or only about 1 dollar per mw for this:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/daguin-custom-built-kryton-8x-470mw-45931.html

Ultimately I suppose a thing is worth what people are prepared to pay, but for that price I would want a titanium waterproof host and a 50 year guarantee!
 
davidgdg said:
but for that price I would want a titanium waterproof host and a 50 year guarantee!
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hahahahaha. it would be easy to build a 20mW laser like this for less than half of the cost now.
a titanium waterproof host sounds nice ;]
 
Hey Mattmagic100 - couldn't help noticing the remarkable resemblance of your Avatar to Phil Brown, the manager of Hull FC in the English Premier league .....

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hahahaha he really does.
he could be tony starks stunt double.
if he did stunts that is.
nice find!:san:
 
So, did you get this unit as a review unit or did you pay for it?
 
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