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Sorry to all (wish it won't be too late )

I think you will be the first "cheap chinese" style shop to actually have legit power specs on lasers. Truly a good example for other shops to follow!
 





Wow.... as everyone else said John, the world needs more people like you. I hope this isn't hard for your business because you've just attracted another interested customer - me. You have my respect & interest for being forthcoming about this, well done :D
 
It may not be possible for them to check every laser. I can see it feasible to have a "measured output " area for those units with adjusted pricing. The others could be listed with a more specific range. ie...<40mw , <50, 75-100mw. I believe Toke mentioned something like the ranges.

Best effort from an Asian seller I've seen. I ordered a 50mw already and I'll keep it as it comes. Ordered a bunch of other stuff too.
Pot modded? I doubt it. As tough as they are to take apart, to much risk for scratches. Also, many will fail during the mod and the others will fail quickly after the customer receives them. I doubt they want this.
 
I bought a laser off ebay that was supposed to be a violet color and i got a green one and you couldn't even see the beam. I'm a big supporter of Honest businessmen as my father has his own business and i understand shit happens and you Made a very honest decision to point out a flaw that could have cost you a lot. For the Honesty, once you get your LPM I'll be buying a laser(violet) from you and point(pun intended) my friends to your page. I wish you Good luck with the companies you are dealing with. Thank you for being a stand up person it's hard to come by really good people these days but we have quite a few on here on this forum.
 
John7788 said:
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Hello, this is john, the owner of priceangels.

all members who have ever heard of John and priceangels, all friends who have ever ordered from john and priceangels, all mates who have ever give his precious trust to John and priceangels, I'm truly sorry to you all.


I can hardly hold on my disappointment, sadness and shock after I get a Email from one of my customers this morning. The email tells me that two of my lasers sku 73981 and sku 73960 Which claimed to be 200mw turn out to be only 50mw in reality. I can only say sorry to him, and give him a chance to get a full refund.


My purchasers are alway told that 200mw ones are about 150mw, and 100mw ones are about 60mw, but now....... You can't imagine my anger to the factory, and the sorry to my customers, to you all.


I have made my decision to let all my customers know the reality, even if this will cause a great loss to my bussiness, even if this will be hard for me. I have ordered LPM from lasersbee, who proves to be one of the best manufacturers of LPM.


I will test my lasers one by one, and put the accurate data on my website. Even if these datas will be nightmare for me, I will give you all the truth with no hesitate.


To those who have ordered and not receive the items, if you care much about the real output, you can cancel you order, and will get full refund.


To those who have received the items, if you are really much disappoint with them, you can return them, and get full refund, and we will be responsible for the shipping fee.


To those who are planing to order from us, you'd better consider the real output first, it will be much low than claimed. Or you can wait for some days, there will be some honest reviews. You'd better know more before you pay for it. Or you can go to some other company to get one.


Sorry, all my friends. Even since the first day I came here, I has been trying my best to be honest, sincere, reliable and never get a order by cheating, But now, I gave you wrong information. (I don't know whether I am still reliable)

Sorry.....................................................

John
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honesty is something i greatly respect when buying from an online retailer and your willingness to tell the truth no matter how much it impacts your business shows that you are a seller who cares more about customer satisfaction and quality then money, once you get your lpm and start testing the outputs i would be more then happy to give you my business
 
John,
I applaud your honesty and intergrity! Your a breath of fresh air and I will consider PA as a company I would purchase from.

Just a suggestion, but it might prove to be more trouble than it's worth, but how about selling your lasers per mw of output?
Lasers, even of the same model, can vary in output power.
You could sell each laser as tested at a certain mw of power and charge $??/mw of power. With a fudge factor of 5mw or so since the same laser might vary day to day by a certain amount due to temperature/batteries used/LPM being used/ect...)

This might not be workable but it would be different from any other seller I know of.
 
You cant do that. Each laser has different parts. Host, diode, heat sink, battery, switch, all cost different prices.

Also are you going to pay $1000 for a 1W blue laser? I dont think so.
 
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Well, I guess I didn't completely describe what I was thinking about.
I didn't mean ALL his lasers.
You could have different rates for various wavelengths and laser types.
Maybe for only the most popular models.
At least the buyer would have a better idea of what thier getting.

Granted, it would be very labor intensive but that shouldn't be a problem in china:)
 
Vaporizer said:
It may not be possible for them to check every laser. I can see it feasible to have a "measured output " area for those units with adjusted pricing. The others could be listed with a more specific range. ie...<40mw , <50, 75-100mw. I believe Toke mentioned something like the ranges.

Best effort from an Asian seller I've seen. I ordered a 50mw already and I'll keep it as it comes. Ordered a bunch of other stuff too.
Pot modded? I doubt it. As tough as they are to take apart, to much risk for scratches. Also, many will fail during the mod and the others will fail quickly after the customer receives them. I doubt they want this.
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joeymutz said:
I bought a laser off ebay that was supposed to be a violet color and i got a green one and you couldn't even see the beam. I'm a big supporter of Honest businessmen as my father has his own business and i understand shit happens and you Made a very honest decision to point out a flaw that could have cost you a lot. For the Honesty, once you get your LPM I'll be buying a laser(violet) from you and point(pun intended) my friends to your page. I wish you Good luck with the companies you are dealing with. Thank you for being a stand up person it's hard to come by really good people these days but we have quite a few on here on this forum.
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RoDnSuE said:
Well, I guess I didn't completely describe what I was thinking about.
I didn't mean ALL his lasers.
You could have different rates for various wavelengths and laser types.
Maybe for only the most popular models.
At least the buyer would have a better idea of what thier getting.

Granted, it would be very labor intensive but that shouldn't be a problem in china:)
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Thanks for all you concern.

I have to say It really cost some loss to me, and it's really hald for me. Yesterday, some of my customers told me the 30mw laser pointer keychain ($11) is underspecs, and want to return, and I agree to give them full refund and the full shipping fee..... It's really hald time for me. BUt I will be honest always.

Nice advice, but then how about the price per mw? as T_J said, Each laser has different parts, but we are not professional enough to give an proper price to each parts.


thanks all
 
John, whatever you do, you have to communicate with your supplier. From all the reviews I've read from other companies, they dont seem to sell extremely underspec lasers. At least not as underspec as yours. Your supplier may be giving you the worst lasers. If I was you I'd contact them and tell them about peoples complaints, and that you have a LPM to check the quality of their lasers.

What you could do is measure the output of the lasers, and put aside all the ones that are overspec. You can call them "True" lasers, and add a small price increase to cover your time.
 
Tech_Junkie said:
John, whatever you do, you have to communicate with your supplier. From all the reviews I've read from other companies, they dont seem to sell extremely underspec lasers. At least not as underspec as yours. Your supplier may be giving you the worst lasers. If I was you I'd contact them and tell them about peoples complaints, and that you have a LPM to check the quality of their lasers.

What you could do is measure the output of the lasers, and put aside all the ones that are overspec. You can call them "True" lasers, and add a small price increase to cover your time.
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Good idea but I think prices would end up going higher. They got to sell the crap somewhere
 
Sorry, but i have to say this ;)

IMHO, there's no sense in setting a "price-per-mW" thing ..... cause the price, in my opinion, is made from output power, but also from building quality, materials used, alignment and beam quality, optics quality, and so on ..... there is simply no sense in saying, as example, "this is a 200mW and must be sold for 100$", or similar .....

I have dismantled some lasers, in the time, and can say you that i've seen 400mW units sold for 600$ and similar, that for the building and materials quality don't worth more than 150$ (and probably less), and seen some 100mW units sold for 50$, that worth any single cent the buyer have paid ..... and this not just in "flashlight style" units, also in pen-style units ..... i see, as example, a lot of pen-style "200mw" units, sold as 200mW, when anyone know that they may be 99% around 80 or 90 mW, and where they reach near 200mW, probably have a duty-cycle of 5 seconds, or are "factory po-modded" for squeeze all the possible from the diode-crystal assembly (and, probably, for this reason, they may last a week of total life :p) ..... and, for the opposite, i have some pens that i buyed times ago as 50mW, that all of them push out 65 / 70 mW stable, and takes 5 minutes of continuous use for become hot .....

If you want to compile a "price-per-mW" list, i think you also have to take in consideration the building quality, duty-cycle, stability, and so on .....

Just as examples (and without any intention to bash you, i know it's NOT your guilty), the units that was reviewed here, stated as "200mW", and that was measured as 50mW ..... ofcourse i can be happy if they was 200mW for real :D , but, for the building quality and stability, i think that they can be sold as "50mW" for the same prices, or few less ..... like, the 73981, as reviewed, it don't look too bad at that price, with safety switch and battery included ..... maybe for the 73960, the price is a bit too high, for 50mW (but it was probably a good price, if it was a true 100mW one, cause it's apparently well built) ..... and so on .....

BTW, i suggest you to correct the description of the item 79042, or to ask to your seller the proof of the declared power, cause there's no way that they have placed a 500mW DPSS module in that host, powered from a single 18650 battery (500mW of green requires around 3W of IR pumping diode, usually c-mount style ..... and a lot of heatsinking) ..... probably your supplier printed the label wrong, and it had to be 50mW, not 500mW ;)
 
Tech_Junkie said:
John, whatever you do, you have to communicate with your supplier. From all the reviews I've read from other companies, they dont seem to sell extremely underspec lasers. At least not as underspec as yours. Your supplier may be giving you the worst lasers. If I was you I'd contact them and tell them about peoples complaints, and that you have a LPM to check the quality of their lasers.

What you could do is measure the output of the lasers, and put aside all the ones that are overspec. You can call them "True" lasers, and add a small price increase to cover your time.
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HIMNL9 said:
Sorry, but i have to say this ;)

IMHO, there's no sense in setting a "price-per-mW" thing ..... cause the price, in my opinion, is made from output power, but also from building quality, materials used, alignment and beam quality, optics quality, and so on ..... there is simply no sense in saying, as example, "this is a 200mW and must be sold for 100$", or similar .....

BTW, i suggest you to correct the description of the item 79042, or to ask to your seller the proof of the declared power, cause there's no way that they have placed a 500mW DPSS module in that host, powered from a single 18650 battery (500mW of green requires around 3W of IR pumping diode, usually c-mount style ..... and a lot of heatsinking) ..... probably your supplier printed the label wrong, and it had to be 50mW, not 500mW ;)
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Yes, Our purchers are trying to find better suppliers these days. Our bussiness of lasers are increasing these days, and we will get some premium quality lasers later, but they mayl be much more expensive than the items in our website.
 
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