Peregrine - The Free, Open Source LPM Interface

[ARG]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Like I said I want to see a solution to using our LaserBee
products on a MAC

If you wanted a MAC solution, you have one! Why don't you want your customers to use Pergerine?

FYI... Just to get you up to speed....
I've never been against a MAC Version of a Data Logging
solution for our LaserBee Products and have reiterated so
in my post above...

Why then are you so against Pergerine? It's a Mac datalogging interface that will work with you LPMs.

J.BAUER Electronics does NOT Endorse any 3rd party Software/Firmware that is not tested and/or verified by
us to not cause any damage in any way or form to any
LaserBee™ LPM Product ever sold or which will be sold in
the future.

It's only reading serial data, to my knowledge there is no way to damage a laser power meter by only reading serial data. If that is not true then please explain how a program that is reading serial data can damage your laser power meters.

The only reason to void a warranty is if the software could in some way harm the product. So. Let's pretend for a moment it could. Clearly you are okay with a MAC version as it opens up your customer possibilities by giving your products a market you have previously not bothered to reach out to. So then, if a MAC version(which is the same as the Windows version) can harm a Laserbee, you wouldn't be okay with it in the slightest, and would be fighting even more against Trevor. But you aren't fighting about the MAC version, so clearly it poses no risk. Therefore, since the Windows version is the same thing, you shouldn't be upset about it.

But you are. Why are you? This is a huge contribution to the hobby as a whole, and will be bringing you money. Your software is bundled with your LPMs, so since he is not making or selling LPMs, HE IS NOT A COMPETITOR. This will not be interfering with your business, but bringing you more.

I just don't get it.

I'm having a hard time understand myself. In one post he says he wants a Mac solution, in the next he's saying anyone who uses a Mac solution will have their warranty voided.

 

[Speedy78]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

The way he responds to any LPM thread or data logging software thread has honestly turned me away from doing any business with him. Its like he wants a monopoly on anything LPM.

 

[Trevor]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

It's only reading serial data, to my knowledge there is no way to damage a laser power meter by only reading serial data. If that is not true then please explain how a program that is reading serial data can damage your laser power meters.

Fun fact: The RX pin is electrically isolated from the rest of the board in all LaserBee products I have looked at.

Even if you sent the PIC (that operates at 5V) a +/-12V signal, the LaserBee would never even see it.

Trevor

 

[justinjja]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

This is very exciting, Great work.
I may be able to sell a few of my LPM's, now that there is a free datalogging program avalible

+rep when it will let me...


Also everyone, "Leave Jerry Alone!" - lol

Seriously though, Laserbee runs a real company, with issuse that most of us dont have to deal with.
Eagle Eye does not apear to have been made in house by laserbee, rather by some other company
So laserbee might not even be legaly alowed to endorse any other Datalogging software.

Also laserbee was previously under the assumption that this would be open soruce,
So he could have the code checked out.

 

[phenol]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Fun fact: The RX pin is electrically isolated from the rest of the board in all LaserBee products I have looked at.

Even if you sent the PIC (that operates at 5V) a +/-12V signal, the LaserBee would never even see it.

Trevor

how about the flow control pins? only TxD and GND?

 

[Trevor]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Also laserbee was previously under the assumption that this would be open soruce,
So he could have the code checked out.

I mean... it's Java. So it's basically open-source whether I want it to be or not.

The main reason he wanted it to be open-source was to ensure that no NDA was "violated." He is, of course, well aware that the LaserBee output formatting has been common knowledge for several years now (at least since early 2010), and would not be covered under any NDA, no matter how strict the terms.

He also wanted "interested forum members" to know the Kenometer handshake. But, any half-brained "interested forum member" should know how to sniff a few bytes off a serial line... it's not hard. In fact, if I did publish it, I'd be insulting the forum's collective intelligence.

how about the flow control pins? only TxD and GND?

All pins except for Tx and Gnd are electrically isolated.

Trevor

 

[Multimode]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

...you shouldn't be upset about it.
But you are. Why are you? This is a huge contribution to the hobby as a whole, and will be bringing you money. Your software is bundled with your LPMs, so since he is not making or selling LPMs, HE IS NOT A COMPETITOR. This will not be interfering with your business, but bringing you more.
I just don't get it.

Wanburn, i don't get it either :thinking:

... as a potential customer of a 'product', what do I want to see?
a) Good product or service.
b) Good value
c) Availability of aftermarket parts and addons.
d) Constructive support from the OEM.

I can only see advantages of having the availability of aftermarket parts or services to the original product.
A product that has aftermarket options is far more attractive to me (the guy with the $$$ to spend!) than one that is "locked down".

Jerry's constant negative and defensive responses (legal disclamers an alike) to just about anything that anyone is developing in relation to his LPM products is a real turn off.
I for one have serious reservations in purchasing from a company that behaves in this way.

I'd like to know Jerry's business rationale regarding all this:thinking:

ATB
MM

 

[justinjja]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Wanburn, i don't get it either :thinking:

Well for one, backwards and forwards compatibility.
if laserbee supports this, then it turns out this doesnt work with a future laserbee model, it becomes a problem for jerry.

Remember when apple relaced their 10 year old ipod cable, and everyone flipped out?
Forward and Backward compatibility is important

EDIT:
Wow I did not realize you could just decompile java...
Ill have to try it later tonight :eg:

 

[ARG]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Agreed Multimode, that's why there is a big push for Open Source projects everywhere because of the advantages of having access to the designs and being able to modify it to suit the users needs.
I would really like to know Jerry's rationale behind his hostile approach to Pergerine, from the above posts it appears like he's doing nothing but scaring away potential customers.

 

[Trevor]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Well for one, backwards and forwards compatibility.
if laserbee supports this, then it turns out this doesnt work with a future laserbee model, its jerrys problem.

Remember when apple relaced their 10 year old ipod cable, and everyone flipped out?
Forward and Backward compatiibyity is important

I can add a custom datastream definition in the configuration file to prevent an issue like that from ever occurring.

Trevor

 

[DJNY]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Any possibilities that the Laserbee products explode when using this software? :scared:

 

[Trevor]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Any possibilities that the Laserbee products explode when using this software? :scared:

None whatsoever.

Trevor

 

[justinjja]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Just noticed this:

To begin a timed measurement, select that option from the measurement menu ( Measurement -> New ), fill in the fields ( A test named "Laser Test" with a threshold of 10mW, duration of 60 seconds, and a red line color is the default. ), then press "Start" to begin.

That is a feature I have wanted for a long time,
I always hated having to try to click Run and turn on my laser at the same time,
Very nice.

 

[Trevor]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

That is a feature I have wanted for a long time,
I always hated having to try to click Run and turn on my laser at the same time,
Very nice.

Huh... that's been around since Luminosity came out in 2010. Surprised Jerry hadn't implemented something that that yet.

Treor

 

[Multimode]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Well for one, backwards and forwards compatibility.
if laserbee supports this, then it turns out this doesnt work with a future laserbee model, it becomes a problem for jerry.
Remember when apple relaced their 10 year old ipod cable, and everyone flipped out?
Forward and Backward compatibility is important
:

He's about as far away to supporting this as anyone could get !
Aftermarket items generally have to follow the OEM's changes anyway, and because these are open source, there is usually a fast response to any new versions to maintain compatability, so the apple analogy is not a good fit.
I still don't get it?
:beer:
ATB
MM
ops, just seen trevors post #26, that was a fast response

 

[ARG]

Re: Peregrine - The Free LPM Interface

Huh... that's been around since Luminosity came out in 2010. Surprised Jerry hadn't implemented something that that yet.

Treor

I'm more surprised that he hasn't fixed the crashing issues with his program. I've mentioned them to him myself, but the fix he gave me didn't work; other LB owners have mentioned it to me as well.

I'm also surprised he hasn't put forth an effort to make his data logger compatible with OSX.

Any possibilities that the Laserbee products explode when using this software? :scared:

As Trevor said above, nope. I used it with my LBII a few times before I sold it :beer: