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Ugh.

Too late, but I'll bring it up anyway.

AM2 and AM3 use THE SAME heatsink retention brackets. Anything that fits AM2 will fit AM3, and vice versa.

Also- the XFX power supplies aren't exactly the best out there. There is better, and you CAN get better.
 





goninanbl00d said:
Ugh.

Too late, but I'll bring it up anyway.

AM2 and AM3 use THE SAME heatsink retention brackets. Anything that fits AM2 will fit AM3, and vice versa.

Also- the XFX power supplies aren't exactly the best out there. There is better, and you CAN get better.
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Regarding the brackets, its not that big of a deal. I am happy with my Zalman.

Regarding the XFX, it was $40 cheaper to get it as a combo with the GPU and I also had a $20 coupon for the PSU :)
 
BShanahan14rulz said:
Well I'll be! That's always good to know! Sorry about that, abolfazl! Either way, looks like you ended up with quite the rig!
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It's alright. The Zalman cooler I got is quite loud BUT after installing the fan controller, it runs much quieter. CPU runs at around 25C now
 
Guys, im getting a new pc soon too. Which cpy, i7 930 or amd 1090T ? I have searched the whole google, saw some suggestions, yet I don't know what's the best for my gaming and program needs.
 
What CPU you get typically depends on your computing needs. The Intel will probably be faster for lower threaded workloads (1-2 threads), while the AMD will handle more threads better because of more cores. Depending on how long you're planning to wait though, Intel should be releasing new CPUs (core code-named Sandy Bridge) somewhere around the end of year, probably in November or December.

Honestly though, if you're just doing mostly gaming, and a bit of programming thrown in, you're probably better off with a fast dual-core, which will be cheaper than a quad.
 
i happen to also stick to my dual cores, as most programs can only use 2 cores they only advantage is having windows run on its own core.
if you are running xp windows does not take much. so you dont need more cores.
Also think about your total power out.
you can get a 3ghz dual core for cheap and get a total of 6ghz of power and you can get a quad core 1.75ghz for cheap and get 7ghz power.
yes you get more total power out of the quad but like i said most programs can only use 2 cores so its not that great.
also the new dual core e8600 is a 3.33ghz dual core and can be oced to around 4.25 ghz without to much work and if you have some crazy phase change system you can go up to around 6.02ghz.
i have worked on anything from a dual core to 8 core cpu.
the only difference and uses for more cores is 3d rendering other than that for gaming you would never need that many cores.
 
More cores also help for video (re)encoding and for running many programs at once (BOINC distributed computing comes to mind), but multi-core stuff is fairly exclusive right now.
 
yes but thats not what most useres car about they want their games to run faster look better, for any 3d rendering or video editing you want as much total power. you should look at getting a dual dual core IE a mobo with a slot for 2 cores and put 2 dual cores in them. i got one of those and its nice.
yay for my workstation that its only use is to program my micro controllers.
 
Er, why look at dual CPU motherboards? Those are typically workstation or server class boards, and quite a bit more expensive. IMHO, a single-slot motherboard with a quad-core is better than two dual-cores. Certainly would be a lot cheaper.
 
can you find a quad core speced at 4.25ghz on stock cooling? i think not. yes they are not super cheap as the 50$ mobos on the market but hey you get what you pay for.
a dual dual core are some of the fastest cpus around
 
Can you find a decent builder who uses stock cooling for his own PCs? I think not. :p

Seriously though, if I'm going to build a large computer for multithreaded stuff, I'll go for a 6-core processor right now. The Intel Core i7-980X, while being worth more than a 400mW green handheld from CNI, has 6 native cores plus HT and Turbo Boost. If you overclock it with halfway decent cooling, you lose Turbo Boost, but can gain a bit more in clock speed.
 
well as far as stock colling goes there for my lasers the cooling i use is phase change or water cooling. air cooling only works if the room your trying to cool it in is cool.
i have several different comps. a gaming comp meant for hd gaming and then a work station comp meant for just power
my gaming pc has been all the way up to 12ghz of total power on my phase chane system, that pushing the very last bit of power out of a e8600. (stable was able to go to 13.x but had issues)
why go six i would say if your going big stop playing in the kiddie pool the real power cpus use more than 1 cpu unit they use 2 and have enough ram slots for 32gigs of ram or 16gig your choice.
i have worked on a 8 core 16gig machine and in most cases as far as my 3d work it was great but the second it tried to challaenge my gaming pc it lost. but that was due to a nice oced 2gb graphics card (i know the gpu has its own 2gb of its own and 2 gpus on the card)
But for most people get like a triple core or dual and no less than 4 gigs of ram and a graphics card that is at least 1gig memory and get the killer nic it will improve online performance.
 
kiyoukan said:
well as far as stock colling goes there for my lasers the cooling i use is phase change or water cooling. air cooling only works if the room your trying to cool it in is cool.
i have several different comps. a gaming comp meant for hd gaming and then a work station comp meant for just power
my gaming pc has been all the way up to 12ghz of total power on my phase chane system, that pushing the very last bit of power out of a e8600. (stable was able to go to 13.x but had issues)
why go six i would say if your going big stop playing in the kiddie pool the real power cpus use more than 1 cpu unit they use 2 and have enough ram slots for 32gigs of ram or 16gig your choice.
i have worked on a 8 core 16gig machine and in most cases as far as my 3d work it was great but the second it tried to challaenge my gaming pc it lost. but that was due to a nice oced 2gb graphics card (i know the gpu has its own 2gb of its own and 2 gpus on the card)
But for most people get like a triple core or dual and no less than 4 gigs of ram and a graphics card that is at least 1gig memory and get the killer nic it will improve online performance.
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You know that the Killer NIC actually makes little to no difference, right?

There are many other factors that may cause a workstation to lose out to a gaming computer, and the graphics card/drivers is only one of them.

Don't forget the additional latency from ECC and Registered RAM, additional BIOS logic(such as Secure Virtualisation Mode), and CPU cache flushing. All those will cause problems.
 
the killer nic improved my comps from 5% up to 15%. when playing fps games that means i am 5% faster than i was making me better and my shots hitting you first.
I know there are other bottle neck but i just find it funny when people hear omg you running a dual core those are crap when in fact they are far from it and with how programs are made they can only use 2 cores there are few common programs that can use more than 2 (i say common and this is not including the obvious video encoding and 3d rendering)
When someone builds a pc give a look at a dual core and think about your needs, dual cores in most test with average users out preform normal quad cores. yes if your willing to drop 800$ on your cpu alone yes you will beat the duals very much but still at that much money you mine as well go for a dual cpu board and get 2 quad cores and have 8 cores but for the average joe look at dual cores and look at getting 2 hdds one 32gig ssd and 1 250-1tb drive for storage.
i will say ssd are very nice boot drives they can take a bit of work to get their full power but once you got it running you will love the speed increase.
also never go with an off brand psu or memory go for g skill or mushkin.
i found many off brands psu have alot of issues with giving the power they say they will, you will be better going with corsair cooler master and antech then ocz and rosewill. the last 2 i listed i have not had any problems but i know a friend who had to rma 2 of them till he went with a corsair.
also when building stick to above 750watts this is for if you ever want to add 2 gpus or just more hdds you have extra power to spare.
Also if you are cheap i have had good results from the SIGMA MONSTER psu had it running for over 1 year with no issues.
i have built more pc than i can count and when on a budget the duals are good then come the I3 and the I5s. but if you have all the cash in the world go for one of these
Intel shows off 80-core processor - CNET News
 
jedirock said:
Can you find a decent builder who uses stock cooling for his own PCs?
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kiyoukan said:
air cooling only works if the room your trying to cool it in is cool.
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It depend ..... my work machine have a quad core, 5 hard disks, and a decent fanless VGA (sometimes a man need also to play a bit :whistle:), on an ASUS MB, and the higher temp i have inside is 73C, also with 35C outside .....

Well, there are 3 add-on fans, other than the original one on the CPU and the 120mm one on the PSU, ofcourse (but all reduced speed, so you barely hear them), and some "flaps" (pieces of plastic plate, LOL), for make air paths for improve the flows and the cooling (standard air flows in a PC case are absurds and inefficents) ..... but is all "just-air", and it works .....
 
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