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ElektroFreak said:
I absolutely disagree with your position regarding these kinds of criminals lacking fear. They don't lack fear. They would be afraid of excrutiating pain, anguish, suffering. BUT that's all they would be afraid of in many cases which is why I'm a proponent of extreme crimes having similarly extreme punishments.

I've already said that I have no problem being the one to administer such punishment and I'm sure I'm not alone... NOT because I would find it fun or enjoyable, but because I truly belive that a policy of punishment for heinous, disgusting murder that incorporates anything less has been proven to have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on people who are considering similar acts.. and they are out there. So you see, what's happening here is that I and many others don't share your warm fuzzy idea of how sick, violent criminals should be dealt with. For me it's about the lack of concern that these pieces of filth show for their victims and even more than that it's about doing whatever is necessary to have the biggest impact on preventing future sickos from carrying out their fantasies. It's a matter of personal values I guess. I'm tired of morons padding punishments because they're oh-so-concerned with the welfare of human garbage. Let's pad all of life with fluffiness and rainbows while we're at it, that way each and every dipshit out there has an equal opportunity to do squat with their lives, be a lowlife criminal and never have to experience any real consequences for their actions.
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hERe Here !! +1
Agree with you. The person in question is a severe risk of doing something like this again.
Totally remorseless and proven to be completely disconnected at all levels of his impact on others. Sociopathic / Psychopathic behaviour. In this case I believe this individual in question could be found to be Psychotic.
He is without a doubt a danger to re-offend.
 





I guess we agree to disagree then, to me its funny, what you talk about can and will happen in some parts of the world, they are also the parts of the world that are the most violent and war torn. Murder is one of the least common way to die at least in the US. Very crazy mass murder is extremely rare. PPl that really go overboard like some SAW movie crap are never heard of.

also I never said a common criminal lack fear, I am talking about the ones that fall under mass murder serial killer mindset.
 
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TheReddish said:
Would you really want to create a virtual hell? I mean stop and think, you want to be the virtual devil????
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Yes, and no.

If I had to though, I would be the "virtual devil" though.

As has been mentioned above, and backed up numerous through research, life in prison, and the death penalty, as they are now implemented in "civil" society just aren't sufficient deterrents.

I mean think about it. No matter the crime, no matter how heinous, the absolute worst that will happen is the offenders death.

That's just not enough.
 
I agree something should be done, I just have no solutions yet that would work, I doubt this would work either. In the future I really do think this will no longer happen as its a defect we will weed out at birth, we would have to make many advances in tech to pull it off, but a virtual hell is not around the corner either. :P
 
TheReddish said:
The only reason to cause them to suffer if for your own gratification, if you have to kill them it should be quick, vengeance is BS, if you want to save ppl just off them, but once again torture? WHY? How do you know they are not fixable or recoverable, do you know some personally or have a degree in psychology? You have no idea why they tick like they tick, and neither do I.
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Wrong.... It is to put enough fear in the minds of a potential
premeditated murderers that they reflects that it might not be
worth the the punishment.
It has nothing to do with gratification or vengeance...
It has to do with making an example for the next "monster"...

I say stick them on a pointed stick until they stop squirming
and breathing... And it should be done publicly to make sure
the wannabe deviants know what's waiting for them..

You sound like you float 12" off the ground and everyone is
beautiful with no bad intentions... That's probably the way it
is in a fairytale...

This is a reality check... Wake up and smell the coffee...
Get out of your room and see the evil that is going on
in the world to day. Not everyone can or should be saved
to do it again...

When I was a kid I never got in trouble with the cops because
I had a healthy fear of my Father. He taught me that if I did
anything wrong I'd get a beating.. It only took one beating
to straighten me out..


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics
 
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lasersbee said:
Wrong.... It is to put enough fear in the minds of a potential
premeditated murderers that they reflects that it might not be
worth the the punishment.
It has nothing to do with gratification or vengeance...
It has to do with making an example for the next "monster"...

I say stick them on a pointed stick until they stop squirming
and breathing... And it should be done publicly to make sure
the wannabe deviants know what's waiting for them..

You sound like you float 12" off the ground and everyone is
beautiful with no bad intentions... That's probably the way it
is in a fairytale...

This is a reality check... Wake up and smell the coffee...
Get out of your room and see the evil that is going on
in the world to day. Not everyone can or should be saved
to do it again...

When I was a kid I never got in trouble with the cops because
I had a healthy fear of my Father. He taught me that if I did
anything wrong I'd get a beating.. It only took one beating
to straighten me out..


Jerry
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OK, Well I can tell you this, I never said anything fairy tale like, I never said anything cute, I have taken my fair share of life, and I hated every moment of it, see what evil?, drunk drivers, corrupt governments, bad business ethics, sure, but you wake up and realize mass murder is a rare thing, you have a better chance of being killed by sniffing glue. Your fear of your father are you for real? how is comparing you and your dad to someone like Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer make sense? You cannot ever make me believe we should torture criminals, sorry its not going to happen, I do not float off the ground I am a blown up war vet that has seen all the suffering he ever wants to see or afflict on others.
 
lasersbee said:
When I was a kid I never got in trouble with the cops because
I had a healthy fear of my Father. He taught me that if I did
anything wrong I'd get a beating.. It only took one beating
to straighten me out..
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Unfortunately nowadays that's considered child abuse.
 
The fact that mass murder is rare would also mean that a harsh punishment for it would be rare. I'm not talking about punishing all crime with such harsh methods, only the rarest and most despicable.

TheReddish: Your life's experience means you're spent on violence, and I understand that. That doesn't apply to everyone. If I took a life in the process of saving my own or someone else's I wouldn't lose sleep I don't think. Not having been there, I don't know for sure how I would react afterwords.. but whenever I hear of someone being killed because they did something stupid the first thing I think sure isn't "Oh dear, that poor idiot criminal got shot, whatever is the world coming to".. No. Instead I think "good riddance". Their life has NO value to me whatsoever if it's going to be spent inflicting pain and suffering on others.
 
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TheReddish said:
I agree something should be done, I just have no solutions yet that would work, I doubt this would work either. In the future I really do think this will no longer happen as its a defect we will weed out at birth, we would have to make many advances in tech to pull it off, but a virtual hell is not around the corner either. :P
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There's a WHOLE BUNCH of religious folks out there that are against the idea of genetic engineering, even if it's for good. For them it's about their belief that their God is the only enitity that can have that kind of influence. I would back the idea of weeding out such defects, but it isn't likely to happen any time soon because of religion.
 
I just want to point out if prison is not working, why has violent crimes gone down sharply since 1993? evolution?
 
ARGLaser said:
Unfortunately nowadays that's considered child abuse.
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And that is where a large problem lies...
Kids today are too coddled by society..

In the past it was the Parents who were responsible
for taking care and bringing up their children to be
honest respectful a law abiding...

I am glad that my parents brought me up that way...
It made me an honest respectful and law abiding man...
For the most part...;)


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics
 
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TheReddish said:
I agree something should be done, I just have no solutions yet that would work, I doubt this would work either. In the future I really do think this will no longer happen as its a defect we will weed out at birth, we would have to make many advances in tech to pull it off, but a virtual hell is not around the corner either. :P
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I don't think this kind of brain develops at birth entirely. I am wondering what kind of family the killer had while growing up?
I have had an up close encounter with a killer before, a fellow that I used to play football with committed one of the most grotesk and cruel acts of Animal mutilation in Canadian history (1995), all because the next door neighbour looked at him the wrong way. I will not get into the specifics as they are really disturbing. (think chainsaw massacre). He later ran away from Police custody and went after his biological father in Ontario, and shot him. His father was serving jail time for 1st degree murder and drug charges. Father survived, barely, Then he attempted a second murder of his former girlfriend. While on the run, in Ontario he also added child rape (victim was 9yrs old) and child prostitution to his list of charges.

The last I heard of this case, this man is still serving his sentence in a Maximum security
prison in Ontario. I don't think he will ever get out.

If I look at how my teammate was ... he fit the form factors for PCL-R, Hare's Psychopathy Checklist all 20 areas.
 
ElektroFreak said:
There's a WHOLE BUNCH of religious folks out there that are against the idea of genetic engineering, even if it's for good. For them it's about their belief that their God is the only enitity that can have that kind of influence. I would back the idea of weeding out such defects, but it isn't likely to happen any time soon because of religion.
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they are also prob not going to sanction torture or a virtual hell ;) I am agnostic though. So I could not say for sure.
 
ElektroFreak said:
I don't know that violent crime has significantly decreased. I haven't seen whatever statistic you're referring to.
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He is talking about statistics from Wiki.

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Of at least some of those fluctuations are due to reporting....
 
the experts say its from legal abortion and less lead paint chip? I would tend to think its more the fact that every tom dick and harry has a video feed to the internet or police with all the smart phones, it continues to drop past 2012, but the graph you pulled kinda ends with 2010.
 
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