FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

[Traveller]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

Yeah, our customs trully are abusive

Believe-you-me,

that's why I was grinning from ear to ear when I first found out that you were on the same side of the pond as me...  

As for DX, so far so good ... knock on wood!
First package was "inspected" and allowed through w/o question. Maybe they actually bought that official DX label with the word "GIFT" printed just above the declaration area ("Laser, Laser device, presentation laser, batteries" - yes, quite subtle there, chaps :). At least they bought it once...  :-?

The 2nd package came under the radar (after all no Agency can inspect every single package - it's still an arbitrary process, afaik...).
Speaking of which, those were 2 packages from 2 separate orders and I have two more packages on the way (for the same orders) but they still haven't sent me everything, lol  :

What kills me the most though is that the politicans and economics analysts of every major Country are calling out for their constituants to go out and buy, buy products to support the economy and in turn, generate jobs. So why don't they at least back off a bit from the consumer by temporarily "adjusting" policies like sales taxes and import duties???  

 

[jriga]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

Wizard / IgorT / everyone else with R/C:
I am laughing to figure out what common thread unites is in the quest to melt things and play with lasers as well as fly/drive/crash R/C equipment!

I had a T-Rex 450SE V2, very very smooth heli - and soon I will start construction on a Beam 450, assuming the USA decides to climb out of the depression and I can make some normal money again.   :-/

On top of the helis, I've done about everything in R/C land... planes, cars, boats, helis.  Helis have captured my attention the longest as I've been flying for 3 years (on and off) and STILL have no real mastery of it.  I can hover and fly around, but an inverted attempt ALWAYS results in a terrific crash for me and 3D is a sick dream.

I get ALL my heli stuff from www.readyheli.com - they are a great group of people... but it stinks paying retail for the stuff.  When I was a kid (I'm 31 now), I worked in a hobby store from 16-20yrs old and got used to paying 50% less than I do today.  The more expensive the toy, the mosr expensive the repairs.

The Trex 450 holds up well in a crash, so I've been happy with it... not to say I haven't had a few nasty smack in to concrete.   :-[

YES! The customs issue is resolved!! Nice... but I'm reading the section on the duties and can only muster a single thought.

W T F is wrong with these people? :-?

 

[GAFFNEYYY]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

These things are damn sexual tyrannosauruses! i have a couple of questions:

1: what is the difference in terms of the build between the blu-ray and the 300mw red? i'm referring to the ones in the romisen host, silver for blu-ray, and black for red. is it all the same heatsinking/ driver etc?

2: supposing i bought one of the romisen host blu rays, would i be able to swap the diode for a more powerful one (if i can get one) with relative ease?

3: Ive heard Blu rays are more "efficient" for burning than reds. a 25mw blue ray can sting your skin, whereas a 25mw red diode in the same build would not sting like this. so i am assuming that when the 250mw blu ray is ready, it will probably burn better than the 300 mw red you are selling?

i ask a lot of questions, but luckily i learn fast

thanks

 

[jriga]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

These things are damn sexual tyrannosauruses! i have a couple of questions:

1: what is the difference in terms of the build between the blu-ray and the 300mw red? i'm referring to the ones in the romisen host, silver for blu-ray, and black for red. is it all the same heatsinking/ driver etc?

2: supposing i bought one of the romisen host blu rays, would i be able to swap the diode for a more powerful one (if i can get one) with relative ease?

3: Ive heard Blu rays are more "efficient" for burning than reds. a 25mw blue ray can sting your skin, whereas a 25mw red diode in the same build would not sting like this. so i am assuming that when the 250mw blu ray is ready, it will probably burn better than the 300 mw red you are selling?

i ask a lot of questions, but luckily i learn fast

thanks

I'm sure the creator of these, IgorT will respond as will others, but I'll try and answer a few of these...
First...  WTF is a sexual tyrannosaur.
1.  The drivers are both built by Igor himself.
2.  No, not with ease. The driver is pretty well in that housing and removal and reinstallation would not be easy, the pieces parts are very small.  Igor can elaborate, but I'd say it's pretty difficult.
3.  250mW of power is 250mW of power. Red, green, blue, whatever... Certain wavelengths of light are more efficient at doing certain tasks.  But 250mW hitting the skin is going to burn.

 

[Swordofsalvation]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

well, 250mws of violet, or blu-ray, will burn more colors more efficently. so your right in that a 250mw violet may seem to burn better. for example, i have a 200mw red that doesnt hurt my skin at all, and a 75mw bluray that stings to the point of jerking your arm. this is because most ppls skin absorbs most violet light at the surface, while red light passes through skin tissue, and is diffused because of this.
scientifically, this is because the wavelength of the photons of a red laser is longer than that of a bluray. remember, you use microwaves to cook your food, and microwaves have very small wavelengths.

 

[GAFFNEYYY]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

are they the same driver?

btw, a sexual tyrannosaurus is just something that's really cool. I got it from Predator

It may be difficult to swap the diode, but would it work? or would i need a new driver to power the higher powered diode. lets say i wanted to swap a 6x diode with an 8x, or maybe eventually a 10x when they are sold.

 

[Traveller]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

1.  The drivers are both built by Igor himself.
2.  No, not with ease.

From what I understood, Igor uses a custom-made driver for his BRs but a Flexdrive for the reds.

Secondly, you're right in that Igor packs everything into a custom heatsink-module and I wouldn't recommend going in there...  

On the other hand, if it were to die and you needed a diode replacement (or upgrade of the diode and/or driver), all you need to do is ship him the module, making things a lot cheaper in terms of package weight & customs. A module looks a lot less "interesting" to a customs officer than the entire host, etc.  

Personally, I love the concept & the fact that I could even toy around with other (similar) hosts without having to worry about changing or damaging the sensitive components...  

Edit: This picture makes me salivate (but controllably... rofl): Published w/o permission so I hope he's still going to ship my 6x...  

 

[IgorT]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

These laws make it hard or next to impossible for someone with a good idea to start a business, without having a ****load of money first..

It's counterproductive.. If they gave people some room to breathe, they could bring more ideas to life, more businesses could be created, and it would be benefitial for the economy.



Anyway, multipack is on it's way to US!

Just a few packages left to ship, to some other countries, closer to me.

 

[Traveller]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

...or would i need a new driver to power the higher powered diode. lets say i wanted to swap a 6x diode with an 8x, or maybe eventually a 10x...

I'm guessing he would provide the necessary driver (as an upgrade) when the time comes however, I'd have to imagine that the power source (currently a 14500) would eventually become insufficient to power the diode so that you would have to consider a new host, etc....

 

[GAFFNEYYY]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

[quote author=GAFFNEYYY link=1210968450/1120#1126 date=1234884021]...or would i need a new driver to power the higher powered diode. lets say i wanted to swap a 6x diode with an 8x, or maybe eventually a 10x...

I'm guessing he would provide the necessary driver (as an upgrade) when the time comes however, I'd have to imagine that the power source (currently a 14500) would eventually become insufficient to power the diode so that you would have to consider a new host, etc....
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That shouldnt be too much of a problem, as you can get a very similar host with a longer barrell to fit an extra battery. i beleive these hosts are based on fenix flashlight bodies.

 

[IgorT]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

are they the same driver?

btw, a sexual tyrannosaurus is just something that's really cool. I got it from Predator

It may be difficult to swap the diode, but would it work? or would i need a new driver to power the higher powered diode. lets say i wanted to swap a 6x diode with an 8x, or maybe eventually a 10x when they are sold.

My driver could power 4 6x's in a row at full power, if needed.. It can go up to 24V and up to >1A in some configurations. It could power a blu ray diode from hell. I don't think there will be a blu ray diode my driver couldn't handle any time soon (or ever). At the moment it's basically half asleep, when powering a 6x.


For a more powerful diode only the current setting has to be changed. With the next version, this will be easier than it is now.
For now, by default, there is one higher current setting available on the driver, via a jumper.. It can be made to have two or even three higher current settings, depending on what you ask for (IF you ask for it).

The driver is directly soldered to the diode.. If you can solder a rkcstr driver to a diode, you could most likelly replace the diode on this driver too... Replacing the diode by yourself will also be easier with the next version (factory made PCBs).


Alternativelly, i could just make a blu ray with a FlexDrive and the MM-FD heatsink/module (MaxMass-FlexDrive), then you would only have two wires to solder.... Also, i have a v4 FlexDrive here, i have yet to test it, but if it is more stable than the previous versions, i could make blu rays with it, by request.


The red and the blu ray use a different heatsink/module at the moment. Each is optimised for the particular diode/driver combination, filling out as much volume as possible with aluminum mass, leaving only enough room for the driver.. If you want to see, and read an explanation of how and why, write an email....


But with the v4 FlexDrive, there will be no more need for two different heatsink/modules, as the v4 FlexDrive is the exact same shape and size as my driver, and also gets soldered to the diode directly. So once that becomes available, one heatsink/module will work for both. That will be the v3 heatsink/module. And let's just say, it's gonna be... Hmm.. Different...



Why would an 14500 be insufficient? It could easily do twice what it's doing now, and more. An 14500 could power a 12x diode easily.. Adding another battery in series is NOT on the list of good ideas. It HAS to be ONE Li-Ion!


Everything in the build can support way more than is available at the moment. That's why it stays below body temp for an hour, if you leave it ON on a table... So it can be upgraded in the future.. But it will be a while before we have access to those diodes. A long while.

 

[Th0ughts]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

Our customs really like online links. Best thing to do would be to make a fake web-store, with the products i import, but with lower prices. Then when they would ask, i would give them a link to that fake webpage.  ;D

I could throw that up on my webserver and give it a subdomain so it looked legit, if you'd like.

 

[jriga]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

[quote author=IgorT link=1210968450/1120#1120 date=1234784726]Our customs really like online links. Best thing to do would be to make a fake web-store, with the products i import, but with lower prices. Then when they would ask, i would give them a link to that fake webpage.  ;D

I could throw that up on my webserver and give it a subdomain so it looked legit, if you'd like.[/quote]

Ditto.  We could even do a Joomla! install with a real webstore, shopping cart, etc... take about 2 hours to get it up and running 100% and FREE

 

[Th0ughts]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

[quote author=Th0ughts link=1210968450/1120#1132 date=1234909212][quote author=IgorT link=1210968450/1120#1120 date=1234784726]Our customs really like online links. Best thing to do would be to make a fake web-store, with the products i import, but with lower prices. Then when they would ask, i would give them a link to that fake webpage.  ;D

I could throw that up on my webserver and give it a subdomain so it looked legit, if you'd like.[/quote]

Ditto.  We could even do a Joomla! install with a real webstore, shopping cart, etc... take about 2 hours to get it up and running 100% and FREE[/quote]
That was all part of the plan. Of course, we would always be "out of stock" .

 

[AusLasersSuck]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

WOAH thats a freaking high price!

I mean seriously I could make 4 lasers for that price.

 

[IgorT]

Re: FS: >110mW PHR, >140mW 4x & >170mW 6x Blu-Rays

WOAH thats a freaking high price!

I mean seriously I could make 4 lasers for that price.

I'd like to see you try.

You couldn't make two of these for the price. I think you're a little confused as to what i do here.

Until a short time ago, the parts for a PHR blu ray alone were around $100. That's if i ignore the fact, that i always pre-tested all my diodes, and only used the better two thirds, putting the weaker ones aside and using them for experiments, trying to figure out what they are capable of, to further our knowledge of them.


Now, with 6x's, weeding out the weaklings is becoming expensive. But i still do it.


I could make random-all-over-the-place lasers if i always simply used the next diode in a row, but so far, everyone got a hand picked good diode, even tho the price difference is only the price difference between a PHR and a 6x diode.

But if with 6x's one third turn out to be too weak, what does that make the cost of the good ones? 150% of $60 is $90!
And if people get a 6x laser with a hand picked high efficiency and/or high wavelength diode, and the weaklings are weeded out, that means they got a diode worth $90 in their laser!


So go ahead. Try to make four such lasers for the cost of one. Even with randomly selected diode (simply using the next in row regardless of efficiency and wavelength) and all generic parts, you could only do two at best. Unless you're thinking of skipping some essential parts?  :-?




If these were official products of my company, they would cost the same number, but in euro, not dollars. Otherwise, i wouldn't be making much, after all the taxes and whatnot.

As it is, the little that's left after buying more parts, killing more expensive diodes in experiments (to figure out what they can take - to give my buyers the best power recommendations for their needs) and various torture tests, other research and so on, goes into the custom lens project.

I haven't gotten a single dime out of all this yet. How could i? PayPal doesn't work in Slovenia, i can't withdraw money to a bank account. I can only use it on stuff online. So i use it on the lens project. So far my company picked up all the bills for the lens developement. And i returned that money to my company, by buying some business stuff using PayPal.