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I no the feeling. I dislike that music as well. It use to be good!
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Fighting Racism (explicit)
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It's so easy to get along if you just try, I'm not saying you should allow yourself to be walked on, but making a minor concession for someone is not hard to do.
If you're going to need extra time at the counter and someone want's to grab a pack of smokes or pay for their gas, how hard is it to just let that slide, even if they neglected to ask ever so politely, this woman could have just said " Go ahead, but next time you could be polite and say excuse me! " but some people just want to be A holes at any given opportunity.
Some people have a huge chip on their shoulder and a bad attitude, that usually turns into looking for a fight.
I have to say the girl in this video has a chip on her shoulder and a bad attitude, furthermore she did not have reasonable cause to use force and in fact committed aggravated battery. I believe she decided after the man backed away to get out her mace and attempt to provoke a physical confrontation, after he backed away she did attempt to provoke a physical confrontation, she had already decided she wanted to be violent. The only thing preventing what she did from being a hate crime is she didn't say a racial epitaph.
If you think the opposite then turn the color and gender of the people around and ask yourself if you still feel that way, if your opinion changes based on race/gender rather than actions then think about why you feel that way.
If you're going to need extra time at the counter and someone want's to grab a pack of smokes or pay for their gas, how hard is it to just let that slide, even if they neglected to ask ever so politely, this woman could have just said " Go ahead, but next time you could be polite and say excuse me! " but some people just want to be A holes at any given opportunity.
Some people have a huge chip on their shoulder and a bad attitude, that usually turns into looking for a fight.
I have to say the girl in this video has a chip on her shoulder and a bad attitude, furthermore she did not have reasonable cause to use force and in fact committed aggravated battery. I believe she decided after the man backed away to get out her mace and attempt to provoke a physical confrontation, after he backed away she did attempt to provoke a physical confrontation, she had already decided she wanted to be violent. The only thing preventing what she did from being a hate crime is she didn't say a racial epitaph.
If you think the opposite then turn the color and gender of the people around and ask yourself if you still feel that way, if your opinion changes based on race/gender rather than actions then think about why you feel that way.
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It is perfectly acceptable in her mind to assault someone without cause, it seems. Stupid is as stupid does, she paid with a bank card leading them direct to her door step if he wanted to press charges.
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While Manhattan in the 50s was not perfect, I grew up in a family and in a neighborhood that is as color blind as can be. I don't remember what comedian said it, "NYC, a town where ET could walk around unnoticed" reflects that nature of the city in which I spent my youth. That said, there is one thing that I refuse to be and that is politically correct something that unfortunately presently living in the DC area I am surrounded with.
NYC at that time was one of the best examples of the "melting pot" which is supposed to be what makes the immigrant nature of America what it is. Through high school, save for the lingo that was part of my generation that went through the 60s, no matter what color you were, we all spoke English and could understand each other. There were others such as Puerto Ricans who happened to be blessed with the ability to speak a second language, in this case Spanish. My doorman who happened to be Puerto Rican was like a second father to me. I learned to speak better Spanish as a kid then I could after college.
We celebrated the usual Judeo-Christian holidays that had been the custom for generations. We all wore the same clothes that were appropriate for the time. My point is simply that multiculturalism did not exist. I make no bones about saying what William F. Buckley, Jr said over and over again, that multiculturalism has no place in America. However, racism does not either. The problem is that political correctness would appear to suggest that being against multiculturalism makes one a racist. Quite the contrary, I believe it makes one an American which is what a Naturalized Citizen swears to do when he (no, I don't and will not for the sake of being PC change English grammar to say he or she to satisfy feminism a movement which has turned American upside down and created havoc) takes the oath of office.
I think multiculturalism is what is driving a lot of racism. When I was a kid, we never heard press 1 for English and 2 for Spanish. That is not to say that I never heard Spanish or that I object to its use. In fact my interactions with my Puerto Rican friends in Spanish that made life interesting, rather colorful (no pun intended,) and part of the fabric that wove city life.
What really bothers me is that it is my belief that the pick 1 for English and 2 for Spanish is an attempt to create a second class segment of the population who will be ham stringed by not learning the official language of the land. There is no motivation to learn English as long as we continue this policy.
The other factor underpinning racism is simply ignorance and stereotyping. Most of you probably have no idea who Lenny Bruce is but what follows is perhaps one of his most famous and on point bits he did to show the absurdity surrounding the power we allow racial names to have:
As for the N word, Richard Pryor's epiphany, something many white people of my generation already understood, is one of the most poignant presentations of the problem I have heard. Rap as well as the use of this word among those to whom it once was used derogatorily is the ultimate in self destructive thinking.
This brings me to a related but different topic. Political correctness has now been in a sense legislated into Federal law making certain statements about particular groups into hate crimes. When I was a child homo***uality was illegal. Sodomy, a law still on the books in some states was illegal. I don't care what argument you use be it moral, religious, or scientific, but homo***uality is not the norm and from a scientific perspective, not advantageous. One simply has to look at "form and function" to know what part goes where to know that something is wrong with that picture.
I am not suggesting that we continue to lock people up, call them names, or abuse people who identify themselves this way but don't create legislation that forces me to call the behavior with that Identification normal. Don't tell me that it is OK for to homo***uals to marry and adopt kids. The reason is because it is not normal and it is not good for children to live in such a setting. I have had gay friends. I remember a pathologist I knew who after 20 years of marriage came out of the closet and started living with his lover. Nobody was going to arrest him but I made it clear that I thought it was harmful for his kids to live in such situation. (Why is the word *** being redacted from the word homo***uality considering there is nothing wrong with the word itself.) George Carlin has something interesting to say about this.
As for the man and woman in the video they both have a problem. As already said, the man should simply back off and not make a big deal out of her wanting some more time. If I got upset every time a driver cut me off, this area having one of the highest incidence of aggressive drivers in the nation, it would seriously affect my health.
Of course I have seen my share of the kind of attitude this woman has. Back in 1978 when I first came to DC a guy I knew said, "get ready for DC dumb and DC rape" which was aptly put. The DMV agents at the time could have been this woman's clone. Thank goodness that is not the case today.
The important thing to keep in mind when running into someone like this is to simply to withdraw and not engage. At one time while living in Baltimore I had a CCP. I remember walking down the street and seeing a bunch of guys whose behavior and manner suggested potential trouble to me. Crossing the street and avoiding a confrontation is not cowardice. I avoided a confrontation that could have escalated to a point where I would have had to explain myself perhaps in front of a jury. I was not home. There was no reason to confront.
NYC at that time was one of the best examples of the "melting pot" which is supposed to be what makes the immigrant nature of America what it is. Through high school, save for the lingo that was part of my generation that went through the 60s, no matter what color you were, we all spoke English and could understand each other. There were others such as Puerto Ricans who happened to be blessed with the ability to speak a second language, in this case Spanish. My doorman who happened to be Puerto Rican was like a second father to me. I learned to speak better Spanish as a kid then I could after college.
We celebrated the usual Judeo-Christian holidays that had been the custom for generations. We all wore the same clothes that were appropriate for the time. My point is simply that multiculturalism did not exist. I make no bones about saying what William F. Buckley, Jr said over and over again, that multiculturalism has no place in America. However, racism does not either. The problem is that political correctness would appear to suggest that being against multiculturalism makes one a racist. Quite the contrary, I believe it makes one an American which is what a Naturalized Citizen swears to do when he (no, I don't and will not for the sake of being PC change English grammar to say he or she to satisfy feminism a movement which has turned American upside down and created havoc) takes the oath of office.
I think multiculturalism is what is driving a lot of racism. When I was a kid, we never heard press 1 for English and 2 for Spanish. That is not to say that I never heard Spanish or that I object to its use. In fact my interactions with my Puerto Rican friends in Spanish that made life interesting, rather colorful (no pun intended,) and part of the fabric that wove city life.
What really bothers me is that it is my belief that the pick 1 for English and 2 for Spanish is an attempt to create a second class segment of the population who will be ham stringed by not learning the official language of the land. There is no motivation to learn English as long as we continue this policy.
The other factor underpinning racism is simply ignorance and stereotyping. Most of you probably have no idea who Lenny Bruce is but what follows is perhaps one of his most famous and on point bits he did to show the absurdity surrounding the power we allow racial names to have:
As for the N word, Richard Pryor's epiphany, something many white people of my generation already understood, is one of the most poignant presentations of the problem I have heard. Rap as well as the use of this word among those to whom it once was used derogatorily is the ultimate in self destructive thinking.
This brings me to a related but different topic. Political correctness has now been in a sense legislated into Federal law making certain statements about particular groups into hate crimes. When I was a child homo***uality was illegal. Sodomy, a law still on the books in some states was illegal. I don't care what argument you use be it moral, religious, or scientific, but homo***uality is not the norm and from a scientific perspective, not advantageous. One simply has to look at "form and function" to know what part goes where to know that something is wrong with that picture.
I am not suggesting that we continue to lock people up, call them names, or abuse people who identify themselves this way but don't create legislation that forces me to call the behavior with that Identification normal. Don't tell me that it is OK for to homo***uals to marry and adopt kids. The reason is because it is not normal and it is not good for children to live in such a setting. I have had gay friends. I remember a pathologist I knew who after 20 years of marriage came out of the closet and started living with his lover. Nobody was going to arrest him but I made it clear that I thought it was harmful for his kids to live in such situation. (Why is the word *** being redacted from the word homo***uality considering there is nothing wrong with the word itself.) George Carlin has something interesting to say about this.
As for the man and woman in the video they both have a problem. As already said, the man should simply back off and not make a big deal out of her wanting some more time. If I got upset every time a driver cut me off, this area having one of the highest incidence of aggressive drivers in the nation, it would seriously affect my health.
Of course I have seen my share of the kind of attitude this woman has. Back in 1978 when I first came to DC a guy I knew said, "get ready for DC dumb and DC rape" which was aptly put. The DMV agents at the time could have been this woman's clone. Thank goodness that is not the case today.
The important thing to keep in mind when running into someone like this is to simply to withdraw and not engage. At one time while living in Baltimore I had a CCP. I remember walking down the street and seeing a bunch of guys whose behavior and manner suggested potential trouble to me. Crossing the street and avoiding a confrontation is not cowardice. I avoided a confrontation that could have escalated to a point where I would have had to explain myself perhaps in front of a jury. I was not home. There was no reason to confront.
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Exactly right Andrew.
Something people forget is what feels right in your heart is not always legally right.
Often defending yourself means avoiding a confrontation, even if you were affronted verbally.
I live in a stand your ground state, we also have castle doctrine which means you really don't want to force entry into anyones home around here, if we simply feel threatened we can use deadly force to defend our homes and our selves....but I sure as hell don't want to spend my time and money in court, so I too cross the street.
Plus sometimes people just have bad days, why not give someone a break if you can.
Now in California if a mugger demands your wallet and comes at you, you must run away (Duty to Retreat) ball up into the fetal position, and gently throw your wallet at him, DO NOT HURT YOUR ATTACKER WITH YOUR THROWN WALLET! You could be charged with a crime.
Somewhere there is a balance, it starts inside each of us and treating others the way we want to be treated.
I don't like organized religion, but that's another simple but true jewel of wisdom that used to be taught in church.
#1 Treat others as you would have them treat yourself.
#2 Turn the other cheek.....once
Not everyone is the same, some people just need a chance to cool down, a kind word when their wrong, others are evil and mistake kindness for weakness and they deserve what they get, it's up to us to be the good guys.
Yes and gals, lol as for pc now it's wrong to mis gender when addressing someone, that's not going to cause trouble now is it? :thinking:
Something people forget is what feels right in your heart is not always legally right.
Often defending yourself means avoiding a confrontation, even if you were affronted verbally.
I live in a stand your ground state, we also have castle doctrine which means you really don't want to force entry into anyones home around here, if we simply feel threatened we can use deadly force to defend our homes and our selves....but I sure as hell don't want to spend my time and money in court, so I too cross the street.
Plus sometimes people just have bad days, why not give someone a break if you can.Now in California if a mugger demands your wallet and comes at you, you must run away (Duty to Retreat) ball up into the fetal position, and gently throw your wallet at him, DO NOT HURT YOUR ATTACKER WITH YOUR THROWN WALLET! You could be charged with a crime.
Somewhere there is a balance, it starts inside each of us and treating others the way we want to be treated.
I don't like organized religion, but that's another simple but true jewel of wisdom that used to be taught in church.
#1 Treat others as you would have them treat yourself.
#2 Turn the other cheek.....once
Not everyone is the same, some people just need a chance to cool down, a kind word when their wrong, others are evil and mistake kindness for weakness and they deserve what they get, it's up to us to be the good guys.
Yes and gals, lol as for pc now it's wrong to mis gender when addressing someone, that's not going to cause trouble now is it? :thinking:
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I am totally with you Cowboy. We live in a crazy, polarized society.
Often I have wanted to call into Rush's show and kid with him, tell him he is not a conservative, that he belongs as I do, to POCS. (Party of Common Sense,) which is as you recall, the title of the pamphlet by Tom Payne that started everything. Don't sweet the small stuff, and most often it is better to turn the other cheek, but if your life is seriously threatened, we should not have laws preventing you from defending yourself. Jesus is the only man who ever lived that always new the right thing to say and the right thing to do. None of us will ever be able to make it through life with his record. However, if we at least try and think what he would do in any given situation, you just might do better. It does not matter how you look at His life whether as a Christian or one who has just read the Bible. If we all could follow the Golden Rule you are right, we all would be better off.
Often I have wanted to call into Rush's show and kid with him, tell him he is not a conservative, that he belongs as I do, to POCS. (Party of Common Sense,) which is as you recall, the title of the pamphlet by Tom Payne that started everything. Don't sweet the small stuff, and most often it is better to turn the other cheek, but if your life is seriously threatened, we should not have laws preventing you from defending yourself. Jesus is the only man who ever lived that always new the right thing to say and the right thing to do. None of us will ever be able to make it through life with his record. However, if we at least try and think what he would do in any given situation, you just might do better. It does not matter how you look at His life whether as a Christian or one who has just read the Bible. If we all could follow the Golden Rule you are right, we all would be better off.
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The Human Genome was mapped in 1993. It was determined that only up to .5% of your DNA is actually ANY different that anyone else's. So we are 99.5% exactly the same. Food for thought.
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also, almost the same as an ape!!! lol We will always have hate, greed, and selfish aholes till the end of humanity!
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They didn't know about autosomal info back then though...they thought it was all junk DNA, etc.
Now a days, there's a ton of additional info about what expresses, and when, etc...and that adds a massive variation in overall differences.
~ 70% of a fruit fly's genome is also found in humans for example.
Consider that apes show compassion to each other, will work together for their common good, will share food and resources with each other, etc.
Of course, some apes, just as are some people, going to have some bad tendencies once in a while.
If an ape is too big an a hole, the other apes shun them. They won't groom them, they get over run with parasites, and can die. They may even attack and drive away the bad ape, and so forth.
It depends upon that group's dynamics.
We are really pretty similar, except we have just formalized more of "the rules" and associated penalties.
Some groups simply tolerate some behaviors more, and some less, than other groups.
Look at a gang, vs a corporation. Both groups value certain characteristics, with a large overlap..but, each shaped by its environment.
Aggressiveness with violence vs w/o violence would be a shade of the same thing...with one group leaning one way, and the other, the other way.
Most of the differences between people's behavior are culturally associated more than genetically associated...with everyone being SOME combination of nature and nurture.
Racism is a very natural progression of "us vs them" that we evolved with. Dehumanization of "the enemy" is as old as tribal conflicts.
Familiarity breaks that down, and, allows people to see individuals and not stereotypes.
Some groups have that backfire though...cops for example, who police an area where a particular ethnic or political group is prevalent...so that everyone they see who's black for example, IS, statistically, a criminal.
In short order, a non-racist cop becomes racist...its alwys the blacks he's having trouble with, and, blacks become the enemy.
Even black cops end up assuming a black kid is up to no good as the default assumption.
Studies where they have to quickly shoot or hold when a pic of a potential perp/or innocent are flashed on a screen..show even the black cops shoot black people more quickly.
Its just human nature...to be wrong about stereotypes. Its one of the many short cuts our brains use, that gives wrong results sometimes.
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I definitely was not expecting this thread to be brought back up.
Glad I could be the catalyst of this discussion.
Glad I could be the catalyst of this discussion.
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this is a great thread so I guess I have to show some thanks to ya!!!