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Do you want to see moderators on LPF?

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Would you like to see moderators?

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I gave a no vot, because as I do want some forum of moderation. I would like to see a very different set of rules and mod powers allowed, then what is found on most forums.

What about having just one or two mods, who hold the position anonymously?
They could have their own mod account, or even just share one. While still keeping their personal LPF profiles.

Doing this, helps insure that there is less favoritism amongst individuals. It allows a individual to more easily bring things to a mods attention. Most importantly, it will allow a moderator to bring action with out lengthy repercussions, for his or her actions.
A mod does not need to spend their time, defending or explaining there decision to anyone other then the Admin, c0ld.

It is important to have some moderation on any forum. Some one needs to have the ability, to quickly remove offensive threads or excessive spam.
Trouble makers, who are consistently violating the LPF code of conduct. Need to be temporally band, until c0ld can make a final decision.
 
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Rob said:
Albert I understand where you are coming from, I really do but as a member of this forum I do believe I have a right to post my opinion of the matter. I have done my research and come to conclusion based off what I have read.
I don't jump to conclusions or answers without carefully weighing both sides of the issue. My account may be new here but I have been reading these forums for the past couple of months and only recently decided to join
Now if that disclaimer of "don't vote here noobs" had been here originally, than I would have respected that and not put my 2 cents in.
You know what amazes me though? The vets here love you if you agree with them but immediately jump on you and call you a noob if you disagree with them. I voted in the Ban DAoO thread, gave my opinion after weighing the facts and was praised by the vets for being so community minded and thinking things through. However when I decided to disagree with the vets in this thread, my post count is called into question and I'm suddenly a baby who can't make an informed decision. Excuse me, but what the hell kind of message does that send? Forgive my anger but it's ridiculous from my point of view.
While I may be a new member to this forum I have been a frequenter of many other forums over the years, I made my vote and decision based of prior knowledge and what I have seen here the last few months and weeks.
I'm sorry if I crossed the line by voting, but I figured that since I was a member I could at least give my opinion.
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I would posit that you are an exception

The problem with trying to make "rules" is that it is impossible to include 100% of the people that would be affected by that "rule." That is where people come in. There is often a huge difference between the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law."

And yes. Moderators would be people too.

@ Jaseth -- You will discover very quickly that even a 50 page contract is only a source of "points of argument" when you get to court. Also, by that time, you have already had to pay the lawyer. c0ld didn't have to defend himself in court or pay a judgement. He just had to pay a lawyer to avoid the action. Consultation and legal forms are NOT free.

Simple discalimers are worth less than the paper they are writen on when you stand before a judge.

rpaloalto said:
What about having just one or two mods, who hold the position anonymously?

They could have their own mod account, or even just share one. While still keeping their personal LPF profiles.
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Communication styles will identify them fairly quickly anyway. When I write, there is no mistaking me for jayrob. is there?

Peace,
dave
 
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I don't think 3-4 mods are needed. That's simply too much.

There should be ONE or two mods (for timezone differences) at most.

There are many trusted members here which I'm pretty sure won't go berserk all over the forum because they have the power to edit something.


Regarding the banning issue: I don't agree. I think those 1-2 mods should be able to perform a 3 day ban on serious threats. c0ldshadow isn't capable of reading through all threads every single day, sort out PM's and notifications saying "X should be banned", simply because I'm pretty sure he hasn't got the time to do it. Active members on the other hand are more accustomed to these situations and know the history of XYZ members, etc.

These mods should be able to: Lock threads / 3 Day Ban. Editing threads or posts shouldn't be needed.


Why the 3 day ban? Because it's a short term one. This means the mod won't have to ask c0ld to ban somebody if, i.e. the member is spamming cell phone lists all over the forum. That's a simple ban, not a serious one like a permaban.
 
I just replied to your PM without seeing this post, I think the answer appplies to this too.

I'm not against you. I'm against noobs voting on forums without knowing what they are voting. If you are one of the rares newcomers that come and first inform themselves, I'm REALLY glad about it, seriously, but understand that you are the exception.

This is why in general I'm saying that people which hasn't been here for long shouldn't vote on this kind of polls. There are always exceptions, of course!

Yours,
Albert
 
rpaloalto said:
What about having just one or two mods, who hold the position anonymously?
They could have their own mod account, or even just share one. While still keeping their personal LPF profiles.

Doing this, helps insure that there is less favoritism amongst individuals. It allows a individual to more easily bring things to a mods attention. Most importantly, it will allow a moderator to bring action with out lengthy repercussions, for his or her actions.
A mod does not need to spend their time, defending or explaining there decision to anyone other then the Admin, c0ld.

It is important to have some moderation on any forum. Some one needs to have the ability, to quickly remove offensive threads or excessive spam.
Trouble makers, who are consistently violating the LPF code of conduct. Need to be temporally band, until c0ld can make a final decision.
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This is an excellent idea. I have seen this implemented elsewhere and in my opinion it is one of the more effective ways of modding.

Edit: Now that I see Dave's point about knowing the writing styles I feel I should clarify what I meant. At other forums the moderators are not only completely unknown but never post as well. They lock/delete threads that are against their ToS. That was what came to mind when rpaloalto mentioned anonymous mods.
 
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daguin said:
I would posit that you are an exception

The problem with trying to make "rules" is that it is impossible to include 100% of the people that would be affected by that "rule." That is where people come in. There is often a huge difference between the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law."
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Hallucynogenyc said:
I just replied to your PM without seeing this post, I think the answer appplies to this too.

I'm not against you. I'm against noobs voting on forums without knowing what they are voting. If you are one of the rares newcomers that come and first inform themselves, I'm REALLY glad about it, seriously, but understand that you are the exception.

This is why in general I'm saying that people which hasn't been here for long shouldn't vote on this kind of polls. There are always exceptions, of course!

Yours,
Albert
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Ok I now have a better understanding of where you guys are coming from. I see it was more of a generalization than a pin point attack. Thanks for clearing that up.


Edit: sorry for the double post. :(
 
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What would constitue a LPF member to have voting rights, post count or time?
 
nor one or the other IMO. Reputation or Post count is only an image of the real fact: knowledge.

You for example have only 200 posts but are far from the kind of people I wanted to avoid. Feel free to vote ;)

Yours,
Albert
 
Hallucynogenyc said:
nor one or the other IMO. Reputation or Post count is only an image of the real fact: knowledge.
You for example have only 200 posts but are far from the kind of people I wanted to avoid. Feel free to vote ;)
Yours,
Albert
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People are my favorite kind of animals :D

Peace,
dave
 
As long as mods have to refer to admin decision for ban or act directly against someone (mean, a mod can manage a thread, edit posts leaving the name and reason of the editing, and so on, but cannot ban, delete therads, and take actions against or in favor of an user, look in their PMs or modify their state), and as long as mods accept to take personal responsability for their actions, if these actions go against the laws (leaving the admin free from problems that they can cause) ..... and, ofcourse, as long as any user can always talk with the admin for solve a controversial with them ..... then i say yes, i have no problems having mods around :D , so i voted yes.

But, please c0ld, no mods like some that i've seen in other forums, with too much privileges ..... i've already seen some other places ruined from "mods wars", when they have too much power, and start to feel themselves as gods :p


Edit: LOL, i realized just now ..... "mods wars" ..... "Star Wars, the Mods War", LOL :crackup:
 
There needs to be at least 2 mods. One mod can be bought. Two can also be bought, but not nearly as easily. Also, having multiple mods tends to avoid the possibility of one person having an agenda.
 
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