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Bin Laden is dead!

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Im not so sure that celebrating his demise a lot is a great idea. same with showing him with the fatal head shots (at least 3). Name calling and the like will do no good for anybody.
Cant we be just glad he is gone w/o rubbing it in??? The old saying that payback is a MF goes two ways.
 





lasersbee said:
I find it strange when the US was hunting Sadam that they posted
pictures of his capture coming out of a hole in the ground like a rat....

But in Bin's case I haven't seen any proof of a capture or fatal shot.....
(if someone has seen any pics.... post them here or at least a link)

And why did they bury him at sea... was he hiding in a row boat.......:thinking:

Jerry
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It was a very secret operation. He was not suddenly "uncovered" in this house. He has been suspected of being there, since about August or so. Obama gave the command to go in and kill him if we find him there.

I don't really think celebrating a man's death is a good thing. We can celebrate this as a victory, in that he can no longer lead, but the same could have been done if we had simply captured him.

We gave him the option of surrender at gunpoint, but he declined. Hence bullet inside head.
 
hakzaw1 said:
Im not so sure that celebrating his demise a lot is a great idea. same with showing him with the fatal head shots (at least 3). Name calling and the like will do no good for anybody.
Cant we be just glad he is gone w/o rubbing it in??? The old saying that payback is a MF goes two ways.
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You'll need to quote who you are responding to right under
my post.... I'm a bit confused...:thinking:


@ Meatbal......
Has absolutely nothing to do with celebrating a death....

I've learned over time that the CIA and other covert organizations
don't always tell the truth to the US public or even to other US agencies....
In the case of the capture of Sadam.... it was shown to be true by the pics..
In the case of Bin.... I'm not convinced... (in a Row Boat?????)


Jerry
 
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lasersbee said:
I find it strange when the US was hunting Sadam that they posted
pictures of his capture coming out of a hole in the ground like a rat....

But in Bin's case I haven't seen any proof of a capture or fatal shot.....
(if someone has seen any pics.... post them here or at least a link)

And why did they bury him at sea... was he hiding in a row boat.......:thinking:

Jerry
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Important distinction: the operation that captured Saddam Hussein was not ridiculously secret, clandestine, and carried out by special forces. The operation that killed Osama Bin Ladin was.

Special forces don't carry video cameras. This is to protect themselves and whatever country they're working for. ;)

While it's not unreasonable to doubt a statement delivered with what you perceive as "not enough proof," it's also important to consider why that "proof" might not have been delivered.

For example, think of the backlash that would occur if photos of his bloodied body were smeared all over the internet. The military isn't in the business of endangering soldiers just to make a few doubters happy.

EDIT: This is relevant: http://www.digitalspy.com/broadcasting/news/a317383/osama-bin-laden-death-photo-is-fake.html

-Trevor
 
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Thanks for clearing that up in the minds of all doubters....:gj:

Jerry
 
lasersbee said:
Thanks for clearing that up in the minds of all doubters....:gj:

Jerry
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Time will tell... the US did release photos of Hussein and his two sons. We might see something yet - but to be fair, it's only the morning after. ;)

-Trevor
 
Trevor said:
Important distinction: the operation that captured Saddam Hussein was not ridiculously secret, clandestine, and carried out by special forces. The operation that killed Osama Bin Ladin was.

Special forces don't carry video cameras. This is to protect themselves and whatever country they're working for. ;)

While it's not unreasonable to doubt a statement delivered with what you perceive as "not enough proof," it's also important to consider why that "proof" might not have been delivered.

For example, think of the backlash that would occur if photos of his bloodied body were smeared all over the internet. The military isn't in the business of endangering soldiers just to make a few doubters happy.

EDIT: This is relevant: Osama Bin Laden death photo is fake - Broadcasting News - Digital Spy

-Trevor
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ya i guess, but they conveinatly "buried him at sea". They didnt have to post the picture everywhere, but why get rid of the body. Like the Internet "pics or it didnt happen" :)
 
I heard on CNN that there are pics, one showing a hole in
his head...

Many people want it, and the Whitehouse is deciding on the release...

As expected, there are scores of fakes floating about..
 
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That photo could be photoshopped. But it looks real to me. It was shown on Pakistan television and pulled from a broadcast photo I think.
 
well you know how many people were uppity about obama not showing his birth certificate (show it or it didnt happen).. if we dont have a picture or visual proof that osama is dead i feel like some people may be uppity
 
swimminsurfer256 said:
well you know how many people were uppity about obama not showing his birth certificate (show it or it didnt happen).. if we dont have a picture or visual proof that osama is dead i feel like some people may be uppity
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yes, i agree. SO how do you think Al Qaeda will retaliate. U.S. anticipates al Qaeda 'threats of retaliation' - CNN.com

Ive read in a lot of places including that link they threatened to detonate a nuclear bomb in the U.S. Al Qaeda associate Sharif al-Masri: If he believed if bin Laden were captured or killed "the bomb would be detonated" in the United States.
 
There are pictures and video.

At least one of the Seals had a helmet mounted camera. It was reported that the "committee" responsible for planning and executing the raid were watching in real time. It was unclear from the report I read whether Obama was present and watching or not as well.

There was visual identification of the body (identifying marks ;) ) before they took custody of the body. They also took DNA samples before the burial.

He was buried quickly at sea for a few reasons.

1) Bin Laden's religious beliefs require that he be buried within 24 hours of his death, after proscribed actions. The Navy claims to have satisfied those religiously required actions before the burial. This prevents compatriots from claiming that their religious beliefs were ignored or worse disrespected.

2) The burial place of the body now canNOT be used as a shrine to the martyr this way. There is no place to go on a pilgrimage to. There is no place to swear revenge on.

3) The burial place canNOT be used as a focal point for demonstrations (for or against) or be vandalized. There is no place for allies and enemies to "run into" each other with the resultant tension or violence

4) There was significant worry that we would find a country willing to accept the risk of having the body in situ for the above reasons (and some others)

Peace,
dave
 
I for one don't like that they respected his religious beliefs. He harbored no respect for other religions!

The burial at sea is ok in my book.
 
dyethor said:
I for one don't like that they respected his religious beliefs. He harbored no respect for other religions!

The burial at sea is ok in my book.
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It wasn't done for him ;)

He's dead. :gun:

He doesn't care about it :whistle:

Peace,
dave
 
Guys guys, there is no reason to argue about it because obviously, the U.S. Government always tells the absolute truth!
 
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