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510nm vs 515nm and other info

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There has been some talk about "vaporware" 510nm green diodes.
They do exist (I have a vision on the M & M's TV commercial).

It seems also important to have a photo posted of the diode- not sure how much value that will add.

Anyway, the wavelengths on the green diodes is steadily increasing as time goes along. This makes sense. Mature 405nm, 445nm diodes moving up in wavelength for GaN devices. 510 nm is lower cost and premium diodes at > 515nm are 5X the price. Picoprojector companies want higher wavelengths, as many of us want higher power, higher efficiencies (lower operating current), etc. Well it's out of the lab, and does not need Liquid N2 to operate.

To put it in perspective, green diodes sales/ samples are very tight right now. Many manufacturers have developed diodes that are either not released yet, or developed for medical applications where diode prices are $4K. Other diodes that are in the sample status are like Gold in 1850's; everyone wants their hands on it. Reverse engineering is a big issue, so as a distributor, I can't sell the diodes without the manufacturer's knowledge of the end customer's name, application, etc. One does not want a diode to end up in a competitors lab. It will happen, maybe, but that's what's going on. I have signed a Non Disclosure/ Non- Reverse Engineering agreement, and my modules can not be sold at this time. Diodes can be sold to end users upon approval. That's the black of it. The grey of it is there is a market for occasional diodes to end up here and there by someone who has one, can get them in Europe, etc.
So anyone out there that needs green diodes for production, let's talk about it. Otherwise release of green diodes will be slow for hobby use. OK after parts are mark as Released/ Production.

I hope this sheds a little light on the subject. I may review this post and edit this when I look it over again. Late Wednesday here.
 

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Thanks for this information! Its interesting to know what's happening out there.
 
Can you ballpark us on the price? All I've seen so far is the ones, as you said, 4k+
 
When I am able to sell the diodes freely, without an NDA, manufacturer's notification, etc the prices will be lower. On greens, from one manufacturer, that will be 2012.
In fact right now, the 510 nm parts sell for about $250 to $300 if I get the NDA, etc., and the buyer (company) agrees NOT to to take apart the diode and/ or share it with a competitor. For now, we are building small modules with the green diodes, exposing those to larger manufacturers with bigger pockets, and moving on from there.
515 to 520nm parts are in the $1500 range.

Can you ballpark us on the price? All I've seen so far is the ones, as you said, 4k+
 
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Does that imply that I could agree to an NDA and purchase one from you now, for $250 ?
 
*sharpies a diode window green*

Anybody want one for $200? :angel:

I'm happy for the materials engineers that these are getting so much attention! Not $4000 happy, though...

Thanks for the information! :beer:
 
mmmmmmmmnnnnnnnn....570nm please. That's my dream WL. Bright yellow that's much closer to yellow than a 589.
 
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I would love to have a 510nm diode, i think it would be nice to have another green other than our very common dpss green.
 
So, do you have a green diode in your possession now? If not can you get one? A stock photo is nice, but a picture of a green diode module lasing would be better.

Also, if what I am reading is true, you should be able to get me some green diodes. I can have the company I work for sign whatever NDA agreement you want, and I want the diodes for machine tool alignment. If that's true send me a PM and I'll have that $250 in your account ASAP.
 
Pretty cool, but wow... expensive.

I bet those things are being reverse engineered as we speak. :D
 


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