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Visibility: Laser coming towards you versus laser travelling away.

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I haven't seen any threads discussing this particular topic. I think it's a good one to look at, if only because it's interesting, but it could have practical implications. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to think of what situations and how :)

Earlier this year, during the summer, but also indoors with smoke in the air, a friend and I were pointing lasers in each other's general direction and I didn't expect the incoming beams to look as bright as they did. I'm accustomed to seeing the beams travelling away, because usually I'm the one pointing the lasers at things. (but not at people, that's dumb.) I don't usually have them coming back at me. Seeing it happen surprised me because the incoming beam is a lot brighter than the beam going away.

I grabbed a small mirror, lit up some incense, and took some pictures. Even the 5mW red looked bright when reflected back.

ETA: Be careful when pointing lasers at mirrors. You might want to wear safety glasses since the reflections are basically 100% power. The lasers in these photos are Class IIIb and they are more than bright enough. Even the little 5mW makes a visible reflection. I would leave any Class IV lasers in their storage cases - way too dangerous to use them around mirrors.

Lazerer LZCS 450nm 127mW
Laser_inc_outg_laz_LZCS450_zps3f6a9714.jpg


Skylasers 520nm 50mW
Laser_inc_outg_sky_HL520_zps412f7c52.jpg


AtlasNova 635nm 5mW
Laser_inc_outg_atl_635_zpsbe72f2c2.jpg


ETA: Three lasers - Skylasers HL450 and HL520, Lazerer LZCS 532nm
laser_mirror_450_520_532_800x600_2_zps8d9aeb0a.jpg


Pretty cool! Forget lasering anyone and thinking you're being stealthy - the beam they see is a lot brighter than what you see, and it points right back to where you are. They look as bright with incense smoke as they did on a humid summer evening.
 
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Indeed it does. You can even see beams that would otherwise be too weak to see!

The only problem is that many lasers have slpash/wings/whatever and it's very easy to get hit directly with the splash before you notice, since it's too weak to show up as a beam. I got hit by the wings of my 520nm laser, it's very annoying (glad it was low power). Now I take a lot more caution to identify all the splashes before doing this.
 

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This is because the light doesn't scatter uniformly, more light is scattered in generally the same direction as the original beam.
 
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I haven't seen any threads discussing this particular topic. I think it's a good one to look at, if only because it's interesting, but it could have practical implications. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to think of what situations and how :)

Earlier this year, during the summer, but also indoors with smoke in the air, a friend and I were pointing lasers in each other's general direction and I didn't expect the incoming beams to look as bright as they did. I'm accustomed to seeing the beams travelling away, because usually I'm the one pointing the lasers at things. (but not at people, that's dumb.) I don't usually have them coming back at me. Seeing it happen surprised me because the incoming beam is a lot brighter than the beam going away.

I grabbed a small mirror, lit up some incense, and took some pictures. Even the 5mW red looked bright when reflected back.

Lazerer LZCS 450nm
Laser_inc_outg_laz_LZCS450_zps3f6a9714.jpg


Skylasers 520nm
Laser_inc_outg_sky_HL520_zps412f7c52.jpg


AtlasNova 635nm 5mW
Laser_inc_outg_atl_635_zpsbe72f2c2.jpg


Pretty interesting. Forget lasering anyone and thinking you're being stealthy - the beam they see is a lot brighter than what you see, and it points right back to where you are. They look as bright with incense smoke as they did on a humid summer evening.

You'll find this demonstration interesting.
Laser Pointer Experiment
And this one too.
laser contact to france

When the weather is nice get your friend and do something similar.
 
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Are we witnessing the Doppler effect in those pictures? There seems to be a shift in color. Especially, in the first picture.
 
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This is because the light doesn't scatter uniformly, more light is scattered in generally the same direction as the original beam.

This is the correct reason. Over twice the amount of light is scattered forward, rather than backward.
 
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exactly, when in front of the beam you will see light that is only scattered a few degrees, but when viewing from behind you will only see light that is reflected a FULL 180 degrees back to you. A much smaller portion.
 
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Are we witnessing the Doppler effect in those pictures? There seems to be a shift in color. Especially, in the first picture.

Nope. Doppler effect refers to the change in frequency of a wave moving relative to the observer. Something would have to be moving towards/away from the mirror to have any sort of Doppler effect.
 




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