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danefex

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Not that it's any surprise to anyone, but according to this article that is now officially the case. It says in a link from a letter posted by the FDA last month that they may even request a list of people who've already had non-complaint lasers sold & shipped from WL. This of course would include the (in)famous Spyder III Arctic....

'don't seize my laser bro!'
 
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Actually, this was recently discussed at length here on LPF.. So far, basing my reply here solely on the hard evidence at hand, it *appears* that the Arctic is ok for import, the hard evidence being this form that was included with my Arctic:



HOWEVER there is still room for some doubt, since the form could be a sham.. It's the right form, but the info on it could be bogus.

It would be sweet if the FDA would publish a list of known portable/handheld lasers that are ILLEGAL beyond all doubt. If the Arctic has an accession number (the form says it does) and is approved by the FDA for import, then everyone who owns an Arctic is all good. If not, then all of the Arctics in the US are here illegally. Hopefully Wicked has actually done what's necessary to comply.. at least with the Arctics. I'm sure eventually time will tell.
 

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The accession number for the Arctic is invalid and since it is a member of the Spyder family, it is among the lasers which have been found to be non-compliant.

EDIT: Look at the top of the form. Expiration date in 2003.
If the contents of this form are as fake as they appears to be, you may want to look at some of the genuine parts of it.. "Imprisoned no more than 5 years", "importing - $1000 per violation".
 
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At least they are trying.
There are companies shipping in lasers with no attempt to
make them safe, but no one is posting complaints about them.

Where are the posts: Dragon Lasers, Rayfoss, O-Like, Boblaser, Lyvilaser, etc.
products are not FDA approved and the FDA is seeking customer lists?

I guess they get a pass because they make no claims to be compliant.

And do you really think the FDA has any power to order a customer list from a Chinese company?
 

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@ZapU

WL poked the bear... They went head to head with Lucas... When Lucas says JUMP the US govt says "How High, oh Jedi Master?"
 

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The amount sold, to who and where are for recall purposes. The FDA may request wicked laser recall their lasers, which wicked lasers won't do since they're in china.....and they don't care.

from the letter it looks like the they took away approval based on letters sent out in 2006 that WL never responded to?
 
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At least they are trying.
Sending expired and half-omitted paperwork counts as trying? :na:

EDIT: Also, I posted this exact same thread with FDA conversation transcripts in July and got flamed off the face of the planet and neg-repped by noobs. *sigh*

-Trevor
 
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Don't get me wrong.. I have ZERO interest in debating the legality of these things, and I'm not saying that WL is right or wrong or whatever. What I am saying is that the only thing I've seen that deals directly with the legality of the Arctics specifically is that form, which was put there to get the laser past customs (successfully I might add). None of us here can say whether the accession number is valid or not without verifying it with the FDA specifically, which I haven't done yet.. An article on gizmodo is a far cry from the word of the FDA directly. We can speculate, but that has little real value.

As has been stated, WL is a Chinese company, which means they're not under much obligation to comply with the FDA. I would not be surprised to find that the accession number on the form above is not legit.
 

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An accession number is a case number with the FDA (and is supposed to be confidential). I've no doubt that the accession number is valid - it's the case number tied to documentation WL sent. However, whenever a WL product was examined years ago and found to be non-compliant, the "innocent until proven guilty" permission to export to the U.S. was rescinded.

So I think they're now guilty until proven innocent... ;)

-Trevor
 

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Sending expired and half-omitted paperwork counts as trying? :na:
Trying to make their laser safe, yes.
At least there is a safety pin, an electronic lockout and a low power lens on the Arctic. What are the safety devices on the others I mentioned?
 

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The safety pin on mine doesn't come out. Just saying. (Did you happen to notice that I do have one?)

About the other companies - they haven't launched massive advertising campaigns to attract customers with zero laser knowledge and tout how much the FDA loves them. I think the problem this thread is addressing is how WL is lying about the FDA thing.

-Trevor
 
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Absolutely right. I have to ask though: Assuming that all of Wicked's lasers are illegal (which they probably are), where is the difference between buying an illegal laser form them or from BudgetGadgets, o-like, or any of the rest of them? There are a whole lot of people here who have illegal lasers.. hell, I've got an Arctic. I feel that setting the precedent of faking the act of "caring" about whether the portable lasers that so many of us own are legal or not might not be too wise in the long run given the interests of many members of the forum.. although on the other hand if import was better enforced it would be a call for us to channel our inner DIYers again.... this forum could use more of that these days.

That letter on the FDA site does seem rather damning though.. no doubt that could put a dent in their business.. but maybe not either since illegal lasers seem to be so easily obtained from other manus/suppliers too.
 
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I think FDA is getting a little harsh and a bit edgy on WL. Wicked Lasers has the most safety features on their lasers compared to any of the other companies out there, even more features than jetlasers, yet they are not persecuting the other laser manufacturers but only persecute Wicked Laser, kind of wierd.

Wicked Laser quality has been good. The Core Series I bought more than 1 and half years ago is still doing fine, I even dropped it before at more than 1 metre height through an armoured tank, I wasn't careful when I bend forward, the velcro on my coverall wasn't strong. Up until now, it's still workign fine and it's still emitting an average power of 5-6mw on my nospin LPM for lasting for more than 10secs. If I replace my Lithium Energizers, I believe I can get even higher output.

Even after more than 1.5 years of using without changing batteries, it is still quite bright, I can shown it around my factory even during day time.
 

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Absolutely right. I have to ask though: Assuming that all of Wicked's lasers are illegal (which they probably are), where is the difference between buying an illegal laser form them or from BudgetGadgets, o-like, or any of the rest of them? There are a whole lot of people here who have illegal lasers.. hell, I've got an Arctic. I feel that setting the precedent of faking the act of "caring" about whether the portable lasers that so many of us own are legal or not might not be too wise in the long run given the interests of many members of the forum.. although on the other hand if import was better enforced it would be a call for us to channel our inner DIYers again.... this forum could use more of that these days.
Well, the reason I've been more concerned with WL is the fact that they've used viral marketing tactics to reach a very large, very ignorant market in terms of lasers.

I have no problem with you, ElektroFreak, owning a 1W handheld laser.

I have a problem with the Average Joe here on campus owning one and dicking around with it outside without understanding what's at stake.

-Trevor
 

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Yeah twhite, I saw. And your advertising argument is valid.

Maybe we should take all the illegal lasers we own off our sigs. Who knows when the Feds will come knocking to retrieve them? :tinfoil:
 




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