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FrozenGate by Avery

**** the government - wake up people!?

i still say there are too many unanswered questions that have never been answered..
the fact of the matter is.. is that nobody can say what exactly happened that day.. otherwise we wouldn't be debating it now. im not one of those people who is dead set on what "really happened" and not be willing to hear others out. stuck in platos cave. i can handle the truth. if somebody was to logically explain how buildings turn into dust and fall strait down in a believable way.. i just might change my mind.

i say that 911 was a government job because its just too hard to believe the changed and re-changed official story about how they fell. towers 1 and 2 had black smoke and hardly any visible flames.. for just barely an hour. then turned into dust. from the very first second of when they started to fall there was dust. how can dust weigh down the very structure that was holding it up.

there was nothing but dust.
it doesn't add up. even NIST has changed their story of what happened has been changed several times.

as for the molten *whatever. it might be steel.. it might be aluminum, cant say for sure. nobody can for sure. but if it is aluminum, from what? & could that environment cause that.. jet fuel burning an hour.
one thing is for sure is that whatever it was flowing out of the side of that tower... it fell within seconds of the flow.

what about this picture
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6532/551c.png
what is that coming out of the sides?

i still have yet to hear a good explanation for how this happened.. looks like an explosion to me.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/233/southwtccollapse.jpg


but tower 7 is still a mystery to me.. PBD you say it was hit by the other 2 towers.. what hit it.. dust? the fires in towers 5 and 6 were and both had much larger flames. they also burned for much longer times as well. supposedly the columns got weak from bending.. like a paperclip. where in the 1hour of burn time did that happen. i must have missed all that contortion weakening it. im sure the camera angle just didnt pick it up. in order for the tower to fall strait down. there had to have been all of the support cut instantly. every support/cross beam gone.
how did the end result of the fall look like this
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7574/wtc7pile6zj.jpg

Tower 6 http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1003/tower6.jpg
Tower 7 http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/319/tower7.jpg

(PBD)i understand you have a degree... but that doesn't mean you should make personal character attacks about "i doubt you could read my diagrams" its a little uncalled for. im not calling you stupid for your opinion without knowing you. so lets not go there.

there are still to many unanswered questions.

that's not to say i just go believe in what i hear or see without doing my own research. there is a lot of real disinformation out there. and a lot of it is complete BS. but thats doesnt mean anything that somebody outside the US government says is a lie. we are not getting the complete truth, thats for sure.

i think most of the photos people use as"proof" is being looked at wrong.. for instance. the photos that wes posted are from after the demo crews started. i have tons of photos before demo crews started cutting everything apart. there are beams cut at 45 degrees when there is no way for demo crews to access them & they are nowhere in the photos.

did anyone see the BBC report of wtc7's "collapse" while it was right behind the
reporter.

*no media scripting @ all
notice tower 7 behind her in the report. saying it "collapsed" one hell of a prediction i must say.
its right behind her
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5743/bbcwtc7za4.png
Epic Fail! :shhh:


also what about the pentagon tapes ?
there is no plane what about that. i would love to see those pix.
8 years later i think the national security excuse is a bit old.

what about Brzezinski and the CIA founding Al Qaeda in the 70's. back when they were just the mujaheddin. he openly talks about it in his books. i do have them
is that a conspiracy theory too ?

im uploading my 8000+ photos of 9/11. will post the RS when its done
:tinfoil:
 





I cant tell if you are serious or not...Why did the government want to blow up one of their own buildings? I dont think i can read this thread anymore...1) my sides hurt from laughing and 2) I think it is lowering my I.Q....
 
People WANT to believe this.

It is "easier" (and less threatening) to believe that it took a very sophisticated and government funded conspiracy to take down the towers.

The unacceptable alternative is that our great (and powerful) country was successfully attacked by a handful of 13th century theocrats with box cutters.

That is too frightening, to too many people, to accept.

Peace,
dave
 
LOL you all realize you are arguing real/fake life issues with a 16 year old kid LOL. IE: a waste of breath.

And Gordon you need some of Wes's meds LOL. Spend your energy on education and not on fabricated facts.

The reason I dont believe most conspiracy issues is that they take true facts and formulate them to fit the argument they are making. This in itself shows it has no merit on its own. So stop spreading garbage. At least PBD has facts to back up his points.
 
Stop it wes+other conspiracy theorist you guys are making the rest of lpf sides hurt
:crackup:
 
Alright I want to see who else on this forum besides me is awake. I know Gordon_B is. What about you ?

If you really think about the military and law enforcement (any branch) it's unbelievable to think that soldiers and police have any kind of self esteem and respect for themselves. They pride themselves on being told what to do. They do so blindly and without thinking, that just doesn't make any sense at all to me. No wonder so many cops who are probably ex soldiers or at least have the same mindset are assaulting and harassing citizens for the smallest things. It's what they're trained to do....to be government thugs. They don't think rationally anymore no one really does nowadays. They have it set in their minds that anyone who opposes them is a danger to them, and when they feel threatened they push back. Usually with violence unfortunately because again THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRAINED TO DO, realize any threat and neutralize it as quick as they can. With the economy the way it is, people losing their jobs left and right, and the what feels like growing distrust for the government. I'm sure anyone who thinks and isn't the aggressor in what I'm about to say have noticed it too. Citizens are finally waking up and realizing what's going on and they're tired of it. If I were you I would start arming yourselves to defend you, your loved ones, and your property before the **** hits the fan.

Hey Wes...
from where did you copy the text is your first post....:thinking:

I know you didn't write it... there are no grammatical or or spelling errors
in that text...:undecided:

Man... I'd watch out for the Boogy Man... it seems your'e a bit paranoid..


Jerry
 
And if they take our guns away what happens ?

blah.jpg

Then you'd be in Canada...:crackup:

Jerry
 
Was THAT you?!?

I thought you looked familiar.

Were you already in Sec 7 by then, or was that your initial?

Peace,
dave

Ok just keep it on the dl, you might remember me as one of the video tappers of the Apollo 11 moon landing. You know the one that happened in the warehouse
 
Ha i'm just laughing cause half of the people are afraid to know the truth. They have no idea of NWO or anything thats going on behind the scenes. One day all of you Sheep's will find out. One day.
 
Hey Wes...
from where did you copy the text is your first post....:thinking:

I know you didn't write it... there are no grammatical or or spelling errors
in that text...:undecided:

The whole time I was thinking the same thing...


Wes: Did you ever hook up with that girl you were building a laser for? :P
 
Ok just keep it on the dl, you might remember me as one of the video tappers of the Apollo 11 moon landing. You know the one that happened in the warehouse

It is a small world! I wasn't in the warehouse I had been transferred to contrails by then.

Peace,
dave
 
Ha i'm just laughing cause half of the people are afraid to know the truth. They have no idea of NWO or anything thats going on behind the scenes. One day all of you Sheep's will find out. One day.


You must be copy/pasting from somewhere. You are far to "challenged" to type anything half reasonable. "Sheep's"? really? The word sheep is the same in its plural form. Moose... mooses???? Please oh great one, spare us for the "truth". Shine your beam of light down and enlighten us!

-Mike

lol..
 
Yeah like along time ago

. . . in "agalaxy" far, far away . . .

. . . in the time before Yar . . .

. . . and then she told him that she just wanted to be friends so he tried to sell the laser on the list


Or so I heard . . . . :eg:

Peace,
dave
 
(PBD)i understand you have a degree... but that doesn't mean you should make personal character attacks about "i doubt you could read my diagrams" its a little uncalled for. im not calling you stupid for your opinion without knowing you. so lets not go there.

I didn't mean to attack anyone's character or to say anyone was stupid, a TTT diagram isn't that hard to read as far as intelligence/difficulty. I was only trying to say that *without training*, you wouldn't know how to read it, so why post it?

Unless you already know the terms austenite, ferrite, cementite, pearlite, bainite, martensite, it's a meaningless chart. On top of all the terms, just learning how to read it takes another day or two of class at university level. Then you have to fully understand all the physical meaning behind the results. It's not that *difficult*, you're not stupid, it's just that no one on here, that I know of, is trained in this stuff. A phase diagram isn't bad, most anyone can understand it, but reading more complicated diagrams takes training. That's all I was saying. No offense intended in the least, and we're still friends, right?

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That said, have you read any of the actual, peer-reviewed, scientific papers on the collapses of the different buildings? Any of what real scientists, such as structural engineers, have to say about it all? Rather than just websites and videos, that is.
 
That said, have you read any of the actual, peer-reviewed, scientific papers on the collapses of the different buildings? Any of what real scientists, such as structural engineers, have to say about it all? Rather than just websites and videos, that is.

Kan I got tehm on U-toob?

I dont liek to reed

Peace,
dave
 


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