Selling 700mw 532nm Green Laser Pointer

[Thengine]

Ok- first you post that you want to be in the GB-- but fail to respond to my PMs
Then you question my honesty
Then you post that YOU would like to do a GB and get a free laser{ from a china liar whose mother is also a liar???)
You troll
you threadjack
and you get my first ever neg rep.

go away and get some manners

The questions still stand.. Its funny that you negative rep me for asking hard questions then never answering those questions. Because we both know if I hadn't asked questions about you getting your free laser when you said you were returning it then you wouldn't be negative reping me now.

My posting of getting a free laser in return of doing a group buy for Jetlasers was sarcasm, quid pro quo. I am happy to debate you point for point, but you never ever want to talk about facts. You would prefer to point fingers and call me unmannered.

Btw, don't expect me to "go away" I will still investigate and ask questions of anything I think is not kosher. If you don't like it feel free to negative rep me for "trolling." So far as me thread jacking by posting on what YOU don't think I should be posting all I have to say is :tired:

 

[hakzaw1]

no time for your bull

 

[goninanbl00d]

The questions still stand.. Its funny that you negative rep me for asking hard questions then never answering those questions. Because we both know if I hadn't asked questions about you getting your free laser when you said you were returning it then you wouldn't be negative reping me now.

My posting of getting a free laser in return of doing a group buy for Jetlasers was sarcasm, quid pro quo. I am happy to debate you point for point, but you never ever want to talk about facts. You would prefer to point fingers and call me unmannered.

Btw, don't expect me to "go away" I will still investigate and ask questions of anything I think is not kosher. If you don't like it feel free to negative rep me for "trolling." So far as me thread jacking by posting on what YOU don't think I should be posting all I have to say is :tired:

You, my friend, are an idiot.

You can continue to investigate, but it won't get anywhere.

No point when the community igonres you. Better you not learn the hard way.

There is nothing wrong with recieving free merchandise for doing a group buy. It's perhaps only fair that the company give something in return for good publicity.

Nor is there anything wrong with not returing a review sample. JETLASERS has sent out many review samples, and I'm sure if there were any issues someone would have raised the red flag at one point sooner or later.

And I'm sure someone would have said something if hak was indeed sucking up to JETLASERS.

I'm sure someone on LPF would have said something if that was the case.

They don't just pick names out of a hat. They look for someone who knows what they're doing, and, unlike you, have a functioning brain.

I'm surprised that nobody -repped you for hijacking Don't Laze Me Bro's (link) thread.

I'd have thought you would have the decency to show some respect for DLMB and not have argued about some pathetic matter in his thread. You could have put it in the review thread. But instead, you decided to ignore the fact that someone's just lost a laser they loved, and instead decide to take a dump on the thread with your petty complaints.

Now you hijack an unrelated sales thread. What next from your dirty bag of garbage?

 

[Thengine]

You, my friend, are an idiot.

You can continue to investigate, but it won't get anywhere.

No point when the community igonres you. Better you not learn the hard way.

There is nothing wrong with recieving free merchandise for doing a group buy. It's perhaps only fair that the company give something in return for good publicity.

Nor is there anything wrong with not returing a review sample. JETLASERS has sent out many review samples, and I'm sure if there were any issues someone would have raised the red flag at one point sooner or later.

And I'm sure someone would have said something if hak was indeed sucking up to JETLASERS.

I'm sure someone on LPF would have said something if that was the case.

They don't just pick names out of a hat. They look for someone who knows what they're doing, and, unlike you, have a functioning brain.

I'm surprised that nobody -repped you for hijacking Don't Laze Me Bro's (link) thread.

I'd have thought you would have the decency to show some respect for DLMB and not have argued about some pathetic matter in his thread. You could have put it in the review thread. But instead, you decided to ignore the fact that someone's just lost a laser they loved, and instead decide to take a dump on the thread with your petty complaints.

Now you hijack an unrelated sales thread. What next from your dirty bag of garbage?

WoW! The hostility.. the anger! THE NAME CALLING!

I am intrigued, I thought we were adults here.. how old are you?

He was deceptive by saying he returned the laser... he got a free one still. I am arguing that he should have been honest about receiving a free product.. he mislead us on purpose by not disclosing the whole story, by pretending that he was doing the review and group buy out of the goodness of his heart.

Hell, even Jetlasers guy said he got the 250mw laser in RETURN for doing the group buy. hak said it was for doing a review.. Interesting is it not?

If you are the community then feel free to start ignoring.. Don't need petty name callers debating with me.

 

[goninanbl00d]

WoW! The hostility.. the anger! THE NAME CALLING!

I am intrigued, I thought we were adults here.. how old are you?

He was deceptive by saying he returned the laser... he got a free one still. I am arguing that he should have been honest about receiving a free product.. he mislead us on purpose by not disclosing the whole story, by pretending that he was doing the review and group buy out of the goodness of his heart.

Hell, even Jetlasers guy said he got the 250mw laser in RETURN for doing the group buy. hak said it was for doing a review.. Interesting is it not?

If you are the community then feel free to start ignoring.. Don't need petty name callers debating with me.

I think it was made clear that the laser was a review sample, which means it's free.

It doesn't take more than one brain cell to work out that a review sample is provided free. You don't pay for a review sample.

He got a 150mW unit for review. He reviewed, and returned it.

JET is sending him a 250mW as a result of a group buy.

He chose to return the review sample, he never had to. I don't see how this makes him any worse of a person.

No need to get all pissy, because it's not at all my problem. Maybe if you'd done some reading instead of dragging him through the mud, I'm pretty damn sure that you would have seen that he did get a review sample for free, and he was getting another laser.

Maybe if you learnt to read instead of making stupid assumptions you'd save some time for us all.

Learning to read posts isn't much to ask, is it? I'm sure anyone with more than two brain cells is capable of it.

Now, instead of whining on like a two year old kid, how about you go apologise to DLMB? It isn't too much to ask for what you did to his thread.

 

[Thengine]

I think it was made clear that the laser was a review sample, which means it's free.

It doesn't take more than one brain cell to work out that a review sample is provided free. You don't pay for a review sample.

He got a 150mW unit for review. He reviewed, and returned it.

JET is sending him a 250mW as a result of a group buy.

He chose to return the review sample, he never had to. I don't see how this makes him any worse of a person.

No need to get all pissy, because it's not at all my problem. Maybe if you'd done some reading instead of dragging him through the mud, I'm pretty damn sure that you would have seen that he did get a review sample for free, and he was getting another laser.

Maybe if you learnt to read instead of making stupid assumptions you'd save some time for us all.

Learning to read posts isn't much to ask, is it? I'm sure anyone with more than two brain cells is capable of it.

Now, instead of whining on like a two year old kid, how about you go apologise to DLMB? It isn't too much to ask for what you did to his thread.

You know what logical fallicies are? I don't think you do. You clearly are uneducated or you wouldn't make so many assumptions with every sentence you write. For example, try this one on for size:

No need to suck haks dick so much, just because you are his lover doesn't mean you need to get all pissy and make stupid assumptions. Now instead of acting like a two year old kid go ask your priest for forgiveness like an adult.
That sound familiar? Its me paraphrasing you :tsk:

Now, moving past your name calling to the meat of the subject.

Originally Posted by Thengine
I would think that if the reviewer had no personal investment in the product, no tic for tac, no quid pro quo, Then the review would be more honest?

What do you guys think? I am leaning towards the thought that an honest review needs to be done by a veteran who does NOT keep the laser or I think in the back of my head that the reviewer might be biased, either consciously or sub-consciously, to give the product a better review then would have happened otherwise.

Btw, I am not knocking those of you that keep your free several hundred dollar laser and then proceed to give a rave review of said several hundred dollar laser.

Originally Posted by hakzaw1
I have no qualms giving a bad review to crappy stuff-- and have done that.

If I say my review is unbiased -you can take that to the bank.

Some items get tested to the point of failure== maybe you can afford to do that but not me. But, I kiss nobodies ass.

btw I returned the 150mW that Jetl sent me.

And finally, in case you missed it:

I am curious why you mention returning your 150mw laser? You clearly stated in another thread that in return jetlasers is sending you the much more expensive 250mw laser for you to review. You then stated that you fully intend to keep it.

It seems like you are trying to deceive us in this thread by leading us to believe that you have nothing to gain by a rave review because you returned the review laser. This leads me to believe that you are being deceptive in general when you don't include the whole story. It would have been much more honest if you had said:

btw I returned the 150mW that Jetl sent me and they are sending me a 250mw laser that I am going to review and keep.

Also when you say:

If I say my review is unbiased -you can take that to the bank.

Its like someone saying "Trust me, I would never lie to you.. If I say I always tell the truth then I do." Its faulty logic, there is no need for a statement of veracity.

It seems that your rave review on their 150mw laser has paid off because you now get a 250mw laser.. for free.

Like I said before I don't knock anyone for keeping their multi-hundred dollar review lasers, but just be honest about it and don't try to mislead us.

Hak posted in his GB thread:
more good newz for me from JetL--they have offered to allow me to send the 150mW back and are sending me one that is more powerful to keep and reveiw--yahoooo!

and they are paying for all shipping--this company and thier laser is getting better all the time.

AND I hear they may become an advertizer on LPF and I know they have donated to LPF already.

Gray and JetL have become an asset to our forum. We only need a few more buyers for the GB to happen. thanks!!!!

#1 They have offered to allow him to send the 150mw back and are sending him a more powerful one for him to review.. seems like that communication between him and the company for laser exchange happened at the same time, doesn't it?

#2 He said it was for "review." Grey said its in return for doing the group buy.. I like the 2 different stories, don't you?

#3 I never said returning the laser makes him any worse of a person, if fact if he would of returned the laser and not received anything later I would have participated in the group buy and bought a laser as was my original intention. I would have been singing hak's praises as a super honest fellow with honor above reproach.

#4 He IS keeping the 250mw laser, I don't blame him for it and I have stated that earlier. What I DO get upset with and I think anyone with more then two brains cells would understand is the deception of saying "I returned the laser" and then failing to mention that he is getting an even better laser sent to him in exchange for the laser that he is sending in... leading us to believe that he was just doing the review out of the goodness of his heart. That I have a problem with.

(Insert mean spirited Ad Hominem here) :angel:

p.s. sorry for the tl;dr post

 

[MojoLA]

Thengine: I'm new here and just read through all this arguing and it seems to me, from a totally fresh perspective, that you are blowing this way out of proportion and the primary reason people are reaching their boiling point and calling you names is you just CANT LET IT GO. You come across as a classic example of the angry Internet nerd who just can't lose an argument.

So, you roll up your sleeves and dig your heels in and fight to the death over minor details regarding something as petty as a friggin' free laser pointer.

Seriously, GAL.

Please let this thread go back to selling a laser pointer.

 

[hakzaw1]

You know what logical fallicies are? I don't think you do. You clearly are uneducated or you wouldn't make so many assumptions with every sentence you write. For example, try this one on for size:

No need to suck haks dick so much, just because you are his lover doesn't mean you need to get all pissy and make stupid assumptions. Now instead of acting like a two year old kid go ask your priest for forgiveness like an adult.
That sound familiar? Its me paraphrasing you :tsk:

Now, moving past your name calling to the meat of the subject.

Originally Posted by Thengine
I would think that if the reviewer had no personal investment in the product, no tic for tac, no quid pro quo, Then the review would be more honest?

What do you guys think? I am leaning towards the thought that an honest review needs to be done by a veteran who does NOT keep the laser or I think in the back of my head that the reviewer might be biased, either consciously or sub-consciously, to give the product a better review then would have happened otherwise.

Btw, I am not knocking those of you that keep your free several hundred dollar laser and then proceed to give a rave review of said several hundred dollar laser.

Originally Posted by hakzaw1
I have no qualms giving a bad review to crappy stuff-- and have done that.

If I say my review is unbiased -you can take that to the bank.

Some items get tested to the point of failure== maybe you can afford to do that but not me. But, I kiss nobodies ass.

btw I returned the 150mW that Jetl sent me.

And finally, in case you missed it:

I am curious why you mention returning your 150mw laser? You clearly stated in another thread that in return jetlasers is sending you the much more expensive 250mw laser for you to review. You then stated that you fully intend to keep it.

It seems like you are trying to deceive us in this thread by leading us to believe that you have nothing to gain by a rave review because you returned the review laser. This leads me to believe that you are being deceptive in general when you don't include the whole story. It would have been much more honest if you had said:

btw I returned the 150mW that Jetl sent me and they are sending me a 250mw laser that I am going to review and keep.

Also when you say:

If I say my review is unbiased -you can take that to the bank.

Its like someone saying "Trust me, I would never lie to you.. If I say I always tell the truth then I do." Its faulty logic, there is no need for a statement of veracity.

It seems that your rave review on their 150mw laser has paid off because you now get a 250mw laser.. for free.

Like I said before I don't knock anyone for keeping their multi-hundred dollar review lasers, but just be honest about it and don't try to mislead us.

Hak posted in his GB thread:
more good newz for me from JetL--they have offered to allow me to send the 150mW back and are sending me one that is more powerful to keep and reveiw--yahoooo!

and they are paying for all shipping--this company and thier laser is getting better all the time.

AND I hear they may become an advertizer on LPF and I know they have donated to LPF already.

Gray and JetL have become an asset to our forum. We only need a few more buyers for the GB to happen. thanks!!!!

#1 They have offered to allow him to send the 150mw back and are sending him a more powerful one for him to review.. seems like that communication between him and the company for laser exchange happened at the same time, doesn't it?

#2 He said it was for "review." Grey said its in return for doing the group buy.. I like the 2 different stories, don't you?

#3 I never said returning the laser makes him any worse of a person, if fact if he would of returned the laser and not received anything later I would have participated in the group buy and bought a laser as was my original intention. I would have been singing hak's praises as a super honest fellow with honor above reproach.

#4 He IS keeping the 250mw laser, I don't blame him for it and I have stated that earlier. What I DO get upset with and I think anyone with more then two brains cells would understand is the deception of saying "I returned the laser" and then failing to mention that he is getting an even better laser sent to him in exchange for the laser that he is sending in... leading us to believe that he was just doing the review out of the goodness of his heart. That I have a problem with.

(Insert mean spirited Ad Hominem here) :angel:

p.s. sorry for the tl;dr post

JUST quoting before you can delete your drivel- read the TOU- you're way out of bounds,

 

[daguin]

That's enough, folks

Peace,
dave