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Benm, of course what you are stating can be and does happen, just that we keep getting these hit and run guys with the same kind of problems, then they disappear and another one surfaces to do the same thing.
 





Benm said:
I don't it is that strange to ask the question on a laser forum, it is a very specific injury and i suppose the average GP or even ER staff have never dealt with one. Once source i found stated that 'about a dozen' people are (partially) blinded a year, in the UK (which has over 60 million citizens).

So it's literally something in the order of 1 in a million people that sustain such an injury, making it extremely rare for medical staff to encounter.

This is a problem in itself because they may not even be aware of treatment options, but at least can refer you to an expert.


One reason i think people come and ask is that they suspect it may just heal on its own, and want to avoid the medical costs of having it checked. I suppose this would be mostly the case in the US where a lot of people have no health insurance and medical care is extremely expensive for uninsured people.
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If there are 60 million people in the UK and roughly a dozen a year get partially blinded, the number is 1 in 5 million, not 1 in a million.
 
Benm said:
I don't it is that strange to ask the question on a laser forum, it is a very specific injury and i suppose the average GP or even ER staff have never dealt with one. Once source i found stated that 'about a dozen' people are (partially) blinded a year, in the UK (which has over 60 million citizens).

So it's literally something in the order of 1 in a million people that sustain such an injury, making it extremely rare for medical staff to encounter.

This is a problem in itself because they may not even be aware of treatment options, but at least can refer you to an expert.


One reason i think people come and ask is that they suspect it may just heal on its own, and want to avoid the medical costs of having it checked. I suppose this would be mostly the case in the US where a lot of people have no health insurance and medical care is extremely expensive for uninsured people.
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:wtf:So basically you are saying that if I have
an accident with my my car and my head impacted
the steering wheel and I have no bleeding but a
Whopper of a headache I should go to an Automotive
Forum to get help... (Since it's related to cars):thinking:

I would have to be a Moron to think that an Automotive
Forum could diagnose and give me medical remedies and
advice for my Accident induced headache...:eek:

The common sense logic remains.... See a medical Doctor
for medical advise and diagnoses for medical problems
or questions..

Jerry
 
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No, you're not getting my point.

In such an accident you would have sufferent blunt force trauma, which is very common due to many reasons, traffic accidents, falling off ladders, running into poles while messing with your phone and what not.

Same goes for things like cuts - it doesn't usually matter that much if you cut yourself with a kitchen knife, screwdriver, on the edge of a table, by a sharp piece of glass or whatever.

These are very common injuries and many people will judge if they appear severe enough to warrant a medical exam.

But in case your airbag randomly went off (without a collission, electrical malfunction or something) and you have no obvious injuries i can imagine going to a car forum to ask about how that could happen, and find someone there advising to seek medical care for potential internal injury as those things go off with quite a bang.


The thing is that people on here find these questions stupid since we have some knowledge of power levels and risk. Someone that just buys a laser as a novelty toy thing may have no clue. Many of us could guesstimate that a reflection from a normal house window from a 500 mW laser is actually quite dangerous (as it would be 20 mW ish), but someone without any knowledge of this could easily thing that the reflection could not be that powerful since it's a window, not a mirror.
 
Benm said:
No, you're not getting my point.

In such an accident you would have sufferent blunt force trauma, which is very common due to many reasons, traffic accidents, falling off ladders, running into poles while messing with your phone and what not.

Same goes for things like cuts - it doesn't usually matter that much if you cut yourself with a kitchen knife, screwdriver, on the edge of a table, by a sharp piece of glass or whatever.

These are very common injuries and many people will judge if they appear severe enough to warrant a medical exam.

But in case your airbag randomly went off (without a collission, electrical malfunction or something) and you have no obvious injuries i can imagine going to a car forum to ask about how that could happen, and find someone there advising to seek medical care for potential internal injury as those things go off with quite a bang.


The thing is that people on here find these questions stupid since we have some knowledge of power levels and risk. Someone that just buys a laser as a novelty toy thing may have no clue. Many of us could guesstimate that a reflection from a normal house window from a 500 mW laser is actually quite dangerous (as it would be 20 mW ish), but someone without any knowledge of this could easily thing that the reflection could not be that powerful since it's a window, not a mirror.
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Many people are not doctors...

No... you are not getting my point..
Lets just agree to disagree....:beer:

Jerry
 
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That troll might get the idea to go to an auto forum and claim his car steering system had a bug in it causing an accident, should be plenty of meal givers there too.

I'm in agreement someone could come here to seek advice, but the answer should always be time can make a difference for recovery and to stop chatting and get their butt moving to see a doctor now.

Regardless, I bet 80-90% of what we get is the same hungry troll.
 
Alaskan said:
That troll might get the idea to go to an auto forum and claim his car steering system had a bug in it causing an accident, should be plenty of meal givers there too.

I'm in agreement someone could come here to seek advice, but the answer should always be time can make a difference for recovery and to stop chatting and get their butt moving to see a doctor now.

Regardless, I bet 80-90% of what we get is the same hungry troll.
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Yeah... that's the way I see it.
Members should not give Medical advice
at all...
A simple "Go see a Doctor" should be all
that should be offered. No liability that
way.

Jerry
 
I'm fine on agreeing to disagree really.

I still think there is a huge gap between common trauma and laser eye injury though.

Let's say you cut yourself somehow, you would probably not go to a doctor if it was just a small nick, and put a bandaid on it or something like that. If you cut yourself a few centimeters deep you'd probably to the ER bleeding profusely and in need of some surgery and at least stitches.

With laser injuries to the eye it's not that obvious how bad it really is. It can very well be 'nothing' like seing some spots that disappear after half an hour or less. Then again, unlike a wound, you cannot look at it and see if it seems 'okay' or not.
 
Benm said:
I'm fine on agreeing to disagree really.

I still think there is a huge gap between common trauma and laser eye injury though.

Let's say you cut yourself somehow, you would probably not go to a doctor if it was just a small nick, and put a bandaid on it or something like that. If you cut yourself a few centimeters deep you'd probably to the ER bleeding profusely and in need of some surgery and at least stitches.

With laser injuries to the eye it's not that obvious how bad it really is. It can very well be 'nothing' like seing some spots that disappear after half an hour or less. Then again, unlike a wound, you cannot look at it and see if it seems 'okay' or not.
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Can't make it clearer...
If in medical doubt.....
GO SEE A DOCTOR....

Common Sense... if one is not mentally
handicapped.
There is no argument you could present
that would change my mind...:beer:


Jerry
 
I suppose, but not everyone has access to medical care, or at least not without spending a significant of their money on it.

If you have a tootache i'd suggest you visit a dentist. I probably would do that too. Then again there are people that yank their own teeth out with pliers because they cannot afford to have it looked at.

It's easy to judge if you are in a comfortable position where you can get medical care - if it happened to me i'd have to pay a $400 deductible or so, but after that get all care required covered by insurance, no matter if it costs $1000 or $100.000.

Now we cannot do anything about this situation, only tell people that laser eye damage is real and requires medical care immediately. For those that cannot afford it, it should be clear that there is a real risk of permanent eye damage.
 
You guys keep feeding this troll, he's getting awfully fat now.
 
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