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FrozenGate by Avery

If you cant see something is it still there?

Bob_Boyce said:
Everything currently accepted as fact in our reality is based upon our ability to interact with our environment electromagnetically. This includes our science, and the extremely limited instrumentation at our disposal. But just because something is not able to be seen or detected with all of our current instrumentation, does not mean that it does not exist at some other level. We exist in a vast "multiverse", with realities far beyond our meager ability to measure and detect that which we deem to exist. Well beyond mankinds ability to even grasp the complete concept. And no, I'm not talking about religion or belief, but the limitations that preclude us from seeing much beyond our simple electromagnetic existence.
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The religion/belief still applies though. Its a horribly arrogant position to take, that "all we can measure is all there is", i.e. materialism, naturalism, positivism.

As far as the multi-verse, doesn't that step outside the bounds of actual science, and begin to sink into the deep pit of the untested/un-testable religions of Michio Kaku? Carl Sagan would be disappointed.

Scientists only like the idea because

"It helps explain some of the strange coincidences about our own universe"

Hmm. Sound familiar? Strange coincidences? That sounds just like someone else going for the "fine tuning" argument used by Christians. IE the Goldilocks Enigma. But of course, they are the ones that get flack for "jumping to conclusions" of this type. The scientists that are buying this multi-verse BS are running with it only because they like it personally. This is obvious since they haven't been even found a shred of evidence to support the theory as it stands.

As for the Christians, perhaps they too are only picking the answer that they like best to hear. But in this situation, is there honestly no application of Occam's Razor?

So there is tons of evidence for the big bang. Great. So why is life even remotely possible in the universe?

Choice 1: sensationalized, un-testable "science"

Choice 2: some simpler idea via application of Occam's Razor.

Perhaps they are even in my mind. I just cannot instantly latch onto what bad journalism has been implying to be valid science, while at the same time numerous simpler theories for "why" have not been ruled out.

But I can share this much, since it's already being used in the public sector in a limited capacity. Google "laser grid" as it pertains to "ghost hunting". Some wavelengths of coherent light have the ability to slightly interact with energy and/or matter that is beyond our normal electromagnetic perception. This can manifest as shadows and/or distortions in the coherent light passing through a space, such as a room. These shadows or distortions will be visible in the emissions falling upon something, like a wall, that is beyond the point of interference. There have been many videos made of these events, and it may just be the beginning of the public starting to become aware that there is more to our existence than that which is commonly known and accepted by science as known by the masses. Eyes and minds are beginning to open to technologies that have been withheld from the public sector for far too long.

Bob
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I'm actually not a big believer in videos, for reasons I hope you could understand. How about papers? Reports from a Journal with some class? No "studies" or "surveys" please.
 





Meatball said:
The religion/belief still applies though. Its a horribly arrogant position to take, that "all we can measure is all there is", i.e. materialism, naturalism, positivism.

As far as the multi-verse, doesn't that step outside the bounds of actual science, and begin to sink into the deep pit of the untested/un-testable religions of Michio Kaku? Carl Sagan would be disappointed.

Scientists only like the idea because

"It helps explain some of the strange coincidences about our own universe"

Hmm. Sound familiar? Strange coincidences? That sounds just like someone else going for the "fine tuning" argument used by Christians. IE the Goldilocks Enigma. But of course, they are the ones that get flack for "jumping to conclusions" of this type. The scientists that are buying this multi-verse BS are running with it only because they like it personally. This is obvious since they haven't been even found a shred of evidence to support the theory as it stands.

As for the Christians, perhaps they too are only picking the answer that they like best to hear. But in this situation, is there honestly no application of Occam's Razor?

So there is tons of evidence for the big bang. Great. So why is life even remotely possible in the universe?

Choice 1: sensationalized, un-testable "science"

Choice 2: some simpler idea via application of Occam's Razor.

Perhaps they are even in my mind. I just cannot instantly latch onto what bad journalism has been implying to be valid science, while at the same time numerous simpler theories for "why" have not been ruled out.



I'm actually not a big believer in videos, for reasons I hope you could understand. How about papers? Reports from a Journal with some class? No "studies" or "surveys" please.
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Yea, videos can be faked. I'm not a big fan of the multi-verse theory as others describe it either, which is why I enclosed it in quotes. One of my research directions has been in the direction of dark energy/dark matter physics, for some time now. Dark energy is non-hertzian, ie non-electromagnetic, and follows a different set of rules that we are not used to. Measured propagation velocity exceeds that of C. The only similarity to "multi-verse" is that the hertzian and non-hertzian co-exist together and occupy the same space, seperated by a barrier that can be breached given certain circumstances. Oddly enough, Nikola Tesla discovered this and filed multiple patents in the late 1800s and early 1900s. I leave it up to you guys to search and find which of his patents are relevant.

I cannot go into too much detail here, as the more sophistocated technologies developed along these lines are covered under NSO (National Secrecy Order) here in the US. There are no journal entries, white papers, or peer reviews. Any documents that do exist are classified, therefore they do not exist, if you catch my drift.

The reason I gave the hints to follow that I did in my last post, those are "leaks" that have managed to make it into the public sector. That much I can disclose. However, I will not risk my clearance by divulging anything classified. It's up to you guys to take it from there. I figured since most of you guys here are into lasers, you have an advantage over the average joe to search out and explore these anomolies for yourselves. The best way to convince yourselves that this is for real is to experience it for yourselves, so you don't have to rely upon trusting videos by others.

I'm offering information here, nothing more, nothing less. I leave it for each of you to take it for what it's worth, or not. It makes no difference to me, my research goes on regardless.

Bob
 
Bob_Boyce said:
Yea, videos can be faked. I'm not a big fan of the multi-verse theory as others describe it either, which is why I enclosed it in quotes. One of my research directions has been in the direction of dark energy/dark matter physics, for some time now. Dark energy is non-hertzian, ie non-electromagnetic, and follows a different set of rules that we are not used to. Measured propagation velocity exceeds that of C. The only similarity to "multi-verse" is that the hertzian and non-hertzian co-exist together and occupy the same space, seperated by a barrier that can be breached given certain circumstances. Oddly enough, Nikola Tesla discovered this and filed multiple patents in the late 1800s and early 1900s. I leave it up to you guys to search and find which of his patents are relevant.

I cannot go into too much detail here, as the more sophistocated technologies developed along these lines are covered under NSO (National Secrecy Order) here in the US. There are no journal entries, white papers, or peer reviews. Any documents that do exist are classified, therefore they do not exist, if you catch my drift.

The reason I gave the hints to follow that I did in my last post, those are "leaks" that have managed to make it into the public sector. That much I can disclose. However, I will not risk my clearance by divulging anything classified. It's up to you guys to take it from there. I figured since most of you guys here are into lasers, you have an advantage over the average joe to search out and explore these anomolies for yourselves. The best way to convince yourselves that this is for real is to experience it for yourselves, so you don't have to rely upon trusting videos by others.

I'm offering information here, nothing more, nothing less. I leave it for each of you to take it for what it's worth, or not. It makes no difference to me, my research goes on regardless.

Bob
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Something tells me you're up to more than just helping Ken build embedded systems. I appreciate what you are willing to divulge, and I won't take it for granted. But wth did Tesla have to do with lasers? Why the laser forum...

Ehh. I can't resist. Challenge accepted. :yh:

Mohrenberg said:
I think the question, "If you cant see something is it still there?" is too tricky to answer.

Solipsism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Like every position in philosophy, there are problems with it.

:yh:

For this one, if a position like solipsism was not problematic, it would be more believable, if more believable then more people would actually believe it, and more people would actually live like they believed it. To even argue and philosophical point means you assume there are other minds that will hear it, and understand it.

Isn't philosophy just terrible?
 
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