Are you kidding me? Have you taken a look at the price of Nickel?
The cost of Nickel IS cost prohibitive. The cost of steel is not.
No, but since we are also discussing silver in small amounts that we would need for sinking lasers and the fact that most Canadian nickels up to 1982 were made from 99% pure nickel leads me to believe it wouldn't be astronomical.
rhd said:
Sure, if you search here for machinists using steel, you won't find any. Why? Because this thread was posted yesterday, and until now, nobody has seriously suggested it. But if you actually search for rod stock at the sources our machinists use, you'll find tons of it (generally more if it than aluminum in fact).
Whoah, I'm not searching HERE. I'm talking about massive hunts on google for heat sinking materials. Nickel just isn't there except as a plating, mostly for looks.
I understand that sinking a laser isn't exactly the same as sinking a processor, or likely many other sinking situations, but many of the important parts are the same. You've got to move heat away from the diode.
In our situation, much of the time you are going to simply take the diode's heat and spread it throughout a hunk of metal surrounding the diode and that will be the end of it for all practical purposes. Some heat transfer might take place from the outer shell of the host into the air or your hand, but most is going to sit in the sink, slowly getting warmer. UNLESS you have a sink big enough and with a reserve able to hold all of the heat generated at a steady level.
As someone else mentioned, we aren't talking about a LOT of heat here, so we likely don't need fins and air cooling for MANY of the builds anyway.
In many cases, a nice hunk of copper can do all you need.
rhd said:
I understand what you're hinting at re: specific heat capacity doesn't help if you can't move the heat throughout that entire heatsink anyway. But that's not the reality of how much impact heat conductivity has. You would never have the center of a steel heatsink getting hot, while the edges didn't.
But you could have a metal that was poor enough in conducting heat that the area near the diode is hotter than the area near the outer body of the laser.
My point is that thermal conductivity DOES matter a LOT.
I think Stainless could be a metal that doesn't spread the heat evenly enough and fast enough to be a great sink material. I also suspect it is hard to machine, worse than copper or aluminum, but I'll leave that to the guys with lathes to speak up.
I also have a source at NASA who does exactly this stuff (KSC prototype lab - machining metals and such, not specifically heat sinking), so I am going to try and drag him into this discussion if I can.
rhd said:
When you're talking about 5 to 10 mm of thickness to the "ring" of a typical heatsink, and 1 minute or longer duty cycles, you WILL get the heat spreading through that heatsink, regardless of the metal. In a scenario (as has been discussed ad nauseum here) where you can't transfer the heat to the outside environment efficiently, your best bet is to be able to absorb as much heat as possible. That gives you a longer duty cycle, period.
Again, I think there may be metals that don't spread the heat evenly enough or quickly enough and would leave the area near the diode hotter. I might be wrong on that, but I know good alloys of copper and aluminum take every bit of heat thrown at them and VERY quickly spread it out evenly over the entire sink.
As long as they can hold enough heat to stabilize at a safe working temp then they will work well and we don't have to worry about whether the heat has been spread evenly and away from the diode.
For instance, if you have a theoretical sink made from copper and another from SS and you fire up your diodes, the SS sink may feel cool to the touch on the outside for some time as the heat works it's way through the sink and during that time, the SS near the diode is hotter than the areas that haven't had the heat "arrive" yet.
The copper would very quickly begin spreading that heat evenly throughout the sink, resulting in lower temps at the diode.
rhd said:
- Picture a room with a fire in the middle of it.
- The room's only escape is via a single hallway.
- At the end of the hallway is a single revolving door to the outside world.
- That revolving door to the outside world can move 5 people through it every minute.
Now imagine that there are hundreds of people in this room that is on fire. What's more important, that people can run down the hallway quickly, or that the hallway is able to hold lots and lots of people?
With copper, everyone gets farther from the fire quicker so no one gets burned. With stainless, the people have to mingle around near the fire longer before they get to enter the hall and they are hotter when they get there. Plus, everyone may not get away from the fire, while copper moves them to a safe distance faster.