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Hardware problem, help needed

Do you have a multimeter ? If so measure the 12V and the 5V lines. If the measured value is way off it could cause trouble to the whole computersystem.
 





Eudaimonium said:
Exactly my point.

What's the point of upgrading your equipement for hundreds of dollars when you can have the exact same performance on a machine costing HALF that amount of money?
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What's always been funny to me is that on the vast majority of gaming rigs, once the card is producing more than 75-80 fps you don't see it anyway if your vsync is set, which if you're anything like me it always is. I can't stand it when the image starts tearing because the fps exceed the screen refresh rate, it's a highly obnoxious effect that ruins gameplay for me. So where I'm going here is that when people start comparing fps speeds over 60-120fps there is simply no point to it other than to boast. 60fps is extremely smooth gameplay.
 
Hmm, even 30 FPS is perfectly playable imo. For single player I prefer sacrificing some fps if it means maxing out some other settings.
 
I remember when I was playing Quake the fps was king. You need that ultra smooth movement for accurate shooting. It is a common misconception that the eye sees only 24 fps, why you need it higher ? There is still difference noticed in 100fps vs 200fps in Quake.

How many frames per second can the human eye see?
 
There is no difference if you have vsync set though, even in Quake, since vsync limits the frame rate to the max refresh rate of the monitor, which is 75-80hz in most cases. So that means that you're not going to see more than 75-80 fps in those cases. If vsync is not set then the fps can be unlimited as far as the monitor goes, so the video card can produce 200fps or more if it's capable, but the image "tears" when there is lots of motion on the screen, this "tearing" effect is caused when vertical lines in the image start to become split instead of staying solid, which is caused when the fps exceeds the max vertical refresh rate on the monitor. I just can't handle the vertical "tearing".. drives me nuts. The imagery looks so much better with vsync enabled.
 
ElektroFreak said:
What's always been funny to me is that on the vast majority of gaming rigs, once the card is producing more than 75-80 fps you don't see it anyway if your vsync is set, which if you're anything like me it always is. I can't stand it when the image starts tearing because the fps exceed the screen refresh rate, it's a highly obnoxious effect that ruins gameplay for me. So where I'm going here is that when people start comparing fps speeds over 60-120fps there is simply no point to it other than to boast. 60fps is extremely smooth gameplay.
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Ditto! :beer:

InfinitusEquitas said:
Hmm, even 30 FPS is perfectly playable imo. For single player I prefer sacrificing some fps if it means maxing out some other settings.
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Ditto! Another :beer:
Blord said:
Enabling vsync does improve the game visually but it will create input lag and it can significantly reduce your overall framerate. It is hard for me to explain it all. You can read the story here, TweakGuides.com - Gamer's Graphics & Display Settings Guide

Bottom line is there is no one-size-fits-all answer.

Sorry for getting OT here.
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There is no getting off-track, this is now a computer performance thread :D

I have to agree that above 60 FPS, you never see the difference, only more image tearing, however that tearing does not strike me unless a few frames in rapid sucession is teared on same place, then I kind of start noticing it.

I have not noticed any sort of performance loss or input lag by switching the Vsync settings.

If you get input lag, it would be advisable to go through your driver settings and set the number of frames that is going to be rendered ahead to zero.

In nVidia Control Panel, setting is called "Maximum pre-rendered frames", which is sort of a misnomer because frames are not actually rendered, only processed via CPU while GPU waits for the already completed frame to be displayed in the current monitor refresh cycle.

I do not know the equivalent option in ATi's settings but should be fairly close.
 
Eudaimonium said:
There is no getting off-track, this is now a computer performance thread :D
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If you say so. I am active on the Dutch tweakers.net forum too. :)
I have a NVidia GTX460. I use both brand GPU, depending on the most bang for buck videocard. I buy the components and assemble the computer myself, so any defects in hardware I can corrected it.

Rest of my main computer :
Intel i7-2600k ~ Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD5 ~ OCZ 4x2GB DDR3 ~ GTX460 ~ Intel 80GB Postville ~ Seagate Barracuda LP 2TB ~ Dell U2410 ~ MegaWorks 650D 6.1 ~ Cosmos S ~ Seasonic X-750 ~ Logitech MX Revolution

***EDIT*** 2000th post :wave:
 
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One hell of a 2000 post as well!

Mighty rig you got there, 8 Gigs of RAM, and 2TB HD storage, I take it you got that before the prices went apesh*t?
Just when I needed an upgrade, that happens.

Anybody got a spare 500GB SATA HD looking to get rid of? Doesn't have to be cutting edge, as long as it's not too old, I'll primarily keep it as storage for game installations, movies and music - all my important stuff is already on my 500GB which isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
 
Yeah, hard drive prices still haven't recovered. I picked up 6 HD's for just over $300... before the earthquake. Now the same drives are often double the price:(

Most annoying part is, apparently the new samsung drives are actually seagate... and nowhere near as good.

I'm using 3x1TB Samsung, and one 640GB WB Caviar black... the older cheaper samsungs outperform the WD in every way.

SSD prices have taken a rather large fall though.
 
Nice but I'm not looking for SSD - If I were to get that, I'd use that as primary drive with OS and installed games on it, and I don't want that since everything is already set up.

I am yet to do a windows reinstallation or repair or update ever since I've installed it 3 years ago. It's working PERFECTLY. I'd just like to keep it that way, and have additional 500GB for storage because after 3 years, stuff that I want to keep really piled up. Good movies, games, music, Mass Effect :D
 
I got all my harddisks before the disaster struck. I have still a couple 1TB WD.
The SSD is used for the OS and some main programs. All the rest goes to the storage harddisk. No need to see pictures in lightning fast speed. Or watching HD movies. :D

Don't you have a local forum for PC stuff ? I am sure 500Gb hd are plenty.
 
There are some local forums but as far as I've seen, it's full of "2 hours old computer" hotheads.

If I don't have somebody I already know and trust locally to buy an HDD from, I'd rather buy from here than in-country. Feels better to give you guys my money because it's certain at least some of it will go into lasers, rather than these guys who will use it to buy a new Radeon 7970 because their 6850 is soo freaking old and outdated and weak and slow.


UPDATE

Okay so that buddy of mine tested out the game at all settings minimized. It worked fine. Then he only raised Terrain quality, Effects Quality and Textures from Low to Medium and problem re-appeared (this time adding in some Blue Screen of Death flavor).

I think it's Terrain quality attempting to do some tesselation stuff (the only option in the game with tesselation switch) and everything freaks out. We'll try raising other settings but leaving Terrain at Low.
 
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Eudaimonium said:
Nice but I'm not looking for SSD - If I were to get that, I'd use that as primary drive with OS and installed games on it, and I don't want that since everything is already set up.

I am yet to do a windows reinstallation or repair or update ever since I've installed it 3 years ago. It's working PERFECTLY. I'd just like to keep it that way, and have additional 500GB for storage because after 3 years, stuff that I want to keep really piled up. Good movies, games, music, Mass Effect :D
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I'm a bit of a data hog... usually end up downloading about 200gb per month, sometimes more, sometimes less. Just downloaded adromeda, earth final conflict and rome:p

I'm trying to decide what to do since I'm down to about 100gb across the four drives :(

Hmm... interesting... if it is the video card, that's definitely a first for me, I mean in terms of shutdown.
 
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I guest the first reaction was right. It has to do with the videocard or the ATI drivers.
 
Newest drivers are installed so that shouldn't be a problem, unless, well, they are a problem.

So now we'll see how it goes with all settings pretty much mediumed except Terrain. That's my first doubt now, since raising Terrain Quality from Low to Medium and above would normally engage tesselation effects across the in-game terrain in DX11 cards. But 4850 is not a DX11 card so that's perhaps what's confusing the hardware and something goes wrong. I'm just not sure why is it in the middle of gameplay and seemingly random, but I guess anything's possible.

You never really know with these kinds of problems.
 
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