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FAIL THREAD!!!!

Benm said:
Its effectivity is somewhat beyond doubt, but lets just consider the safely record: Far more people have died in the fossil fuels industry than in the nuclear industry, even if you compare the per-GWh numbers.

The sole difference is that nuclear accidents kill many people at once, but are few and far between. The fossil fuel industry has a very regular stream of casualties (like trapped miners, poeple burning to death or drowning on oil rights etc), but thats not big news since nobody in the public feels to be at risk.
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I have to agree with you for the most part except where you state:
Benm said:
The sole difference is that nuclear accidents kill many people at once
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The consequences of radiation poisoning lasts for generations: Chernobyl disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 





Eudaimonium said:
I am under the impression that nuclear energy is by far the most ineffective and dangerous way of getting electricity.
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Not at all :) it's quite clean and quite safe. Compared with coal (especially the older plants), it's phenomenal.

Eudaimonium said:
There is always a better way - just that nobody was busy figuring it out, since they were all busy counting their money.
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A better way is usually a more profitable way. And if it is more profitable, those "money counters" will pursue it.
chipdouglas said:
did you know the first gas engine ever produced ran on ethanol? where the fuck did we go wrong?
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There are WAY too many steps with ethanol for it to be viable on a large scale. Most of the sun's energy taken in by the corn plant is used to - guess what? Feed the corn plant. You need to water it and care for it and harvest it and transport it and mash it and boil it and ferment it and distill it and transport it again... in the end it takes almost a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol. It is only as cheap as it is because of subsidies.
 
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Yep, Ethanol so far is enough "FAIL" for it's own thread.

- Pulls corn out of circulation from animal feed, starch, and HFCS production to raise food prices worldwide. Minor inconvenience in the States. Disasterous worldwide.

- Takes roughly 1.5 units of gasoline/petro-fuel to make 1 gallon of Ethanol, which then burns in cars with 90% the economy of gasoline.

- The distilleries are horrible fresh water consumers, and waste water producers.

- Ethanol is very hygroscopic, it can't be transported via pipeline, like gasoline, oil, or CNG. That means it must be transported by tanker truck or tanker rail car only. Taking up yet more fuel, creating more pollution.
 
Cyparagon said:
Not at all :) it's quite clean and quite safe. Compared with coal (especially the older plants), it's phenomenal.



A better way is usually a more profitable way. And if it is more profitable, those "money counters" will pursue it.


There are WAY too many steps with ethanol for it to be viable on a large scale. Most of the sun's energy taken in by the corn plant is used to - guess what? Feed the corn plant. You need to water it and care for it and harvest it and transport it and mash it and boil it and ferment it and distill it and transport it again... in the end it takes almost a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol. It is only as cheap as it is because of subsidies.
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AJ_Dual said:
Yep, Ethanol so far is enough "FAIL" for it's own thread.

- Pulls corn out of circulation from animal feed, starch, and HFCS production to raise food prices worldwide. Minor inconvenience in the States. Disasterous worldwide.

- Takes roughly 1.5 units of gasoline/petro-fuel to make 1 gallon of Ethanol, which then burns in cars with 90% the economy of gasoline.

- The distilleries are horrible fresh water consumers, and waste water producers.

- Ethanol is very hygroscopic, it can't be transported via pipeline, like gasoline, oil, or CNG. That means it must be transported by tanker truck or tanker rail car only. Taking up yet more fuel, creating more pollution.
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ethanol is by no means a fail... they can now make ethanol from biomass... the left over part of harvested plants. Also doen't like over 75% of the cars in Brazil run on ethanol? we have so much unused land that people will never live in. ethanol is perfect. the pollution it gives is basically the carbon dioxide that the plant absorbed during its natural life.

michael.
 
Uhm, just for the fun, do you realize that this thread is turning into a serious "alternative energy sources" discussion, failing in being a fail thread ? :p :D

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chipdouglas said:
ethanol is by no means a fail... they can now make ethanol from biomass... the left over part of harvested plants. Also doen't like over 75% of the cars in Brazil run on ethanol? we have so much unused land that people will never live in. ethanol is perfect. the pollution it gives is basically the carbon dioxide that the plant absorbed during its natural life.

michael.
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Switchgrass and cellulose biomass ethanol has been a holy grail of the industry for some time now.

Except it's not in any wide-scale production. Either it's not ready, or agribiz likes pumping up the price of corn intentionally.

Brazil's ethanol economy has two different factors going for it that the U.S. one does not.

1. They use sugar cane as their feed stock, which is many times more efficient than corn. The U.S. does not have enough tropical growing area to come even close to doing that.

2. They use unskilled third-world labor to harvest and haul the sugar cane. Brazil's ethanol economy is being done (literally) on the backs of their poor.
 
Prototype said:
You owe me 3:48 of my life back. The fail was so intense it prevented me from moving anywhere but back from my computer.
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LOL! It's not my fault you watched the whole thing. The video was posted in the FAIL thread.
 
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