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brtaman said:
Completely agree...my "advice" was also full cooperation.

But grouping everyone in this forum into the same basket is a bit ignorant (pardon lack of a better phrase, just finished up a pizza and a beer in the sun, my brain is starved of oxygen), I for one have never sold any laser that I built, primarily due to not fully knowing the end user, as you will agree high-power laser pointers are very dangerous in the wrong hands, if something happened to anyone with one of my lasers I would blame myself.

That's about it from me.

Thanks,
brtaman
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WADR - I grouped no one - it was a blanket statement - an announcement so to speak - if the shoe fits wear it. The statement was..."to all others on this forum...IF you have learned nothing"
 





Diode_Virgin said:
WADR - I grouped no one - it was a blanket statement - an announcement so to speak - if the shoe fits wear it. The statement was..."to all others on this forum...IF you have learned nothing"
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Perhaps I misinterpreted the exact emphasis within your statement, if that's the case I apologize.
 
rangedunits said:
Just move to Canada =D
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You Nice Canadian folks have the BRH. CDRH used also be called BRH. See a pattern there?

Any questions, Eh?

BRH is a lot more user friendly then CDRH, but has nearly exactly the same rules, but a different attitude on enforcement.
BRH is more proactive and more likely to work with you, at least they were 10 years ago when I was up in Toronto.

Steve
 
That is so funny, or actually kind of pathetic...

I am so old, I remember working with the NCDRH when they were called the BRH! DAMN!
 
LSRFAQ said:
You Nice Canadian folks have the BRH. CDRH used also be called BRH. See a pattern there?

Any questions, Eh?

BRH is a lot more user friendly then CDRH, but has nearly exactly the same rules, but a different attitude on enforcement.
BRH is more proactive and more likely to work with you, at least they were 10 years ago when I was up in Toronto.

Steve
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That's the general attitude in Canada , or at least it was the last time I was there .
 
@LSRFAQ... I just did a Google search for BRH and I don't come up with a good hit..
Does that agency have another name...

Jerry
 
lasersbee said:
@LSRFAQ... I just did a Google search for BRH and I don't come up with a good hit..
Does that agency have another name...

Jerry
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it is the Bureau of Radiological Health before changing to The National Center for Devices on Radiological Health
 
Amazed at all this debate. The amusing part is 99.9% of the population doesn't care about this issue. I bet the laser investigation section of the FDA has a small budget. What I've learned from this thread is simply not to sell lasers to the general public. I still think reasonable people should be able to buy. The public I'll agree is too reckless to have high powered pointers.

Good luck with your case Mohrenberg.
 
dr-ebert said:
@Diode_Virgin: where did I give advice (I assume that's what you meant)?
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Yes advice sorry typo / spelling - it appeared you were suggesting he consult legal counsel.

"Getting legal counsel would definitely be best," This is the ultimate area of specialization, you may deflect the blow but a follow up with the left will happen if your legal advice is flawed. The suggestion by steve to get a hold of Casey Stack it the best "counsel" at this time. This is a NO win situation and that is why I suggested what I suggested.

And as you would say..."groveling in the dust before them"... is actually the best, (note my bury your pride in a deep hole comment) cheapest, expeditious way of handling the matter...but that is only MY opinion. And my opinion is valued at todays market rate of exactly 2 cents.
 
laser83 said:
Amazed at all this debate. The amusing part is 99.9% of the population doesn't care about this issue. I bet the laser investigation section of the FDA has a small budget. What I've learned from this thread is simply not to sell lasers to the general public. I still think reasonable people should be able to buy. The public I'll agree is too reckless to have high powered pointers.

Good luck with your case Mohrenberg.
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amazing..."whats all the fuss about, my neighbors dont care what I do, those FDA guys dont have enough money to bother a small fry like me. I'm not going to sell these on the internet, I am only going to sell them to my reasonable friends and their reasonable friends. I am reasonable and I think I should be able to buy what ever I want to buy even if it is illegal, It is not like I am reckless it is all those other people out there in the general public that are irresponsible and reckless..not me and all my friends and their friends. We know what we are doing, we learned it on the internet."

*shakes head*
 
m60gunner29 said:
In the US if you deny doing something that you in fact did do or if you lie to an investigator, that is a felony (providing false or misleading information during the course of an official investigation). I do know this for a fact and I almost had charges brought against me for exactly that.
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How does the fifth amendment play into that?
 
Cyparagon said:
How does the fifth amendment play into that?
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Pleading or Taking your fifth amendment rights in the US means basically you are not going to answer their question on the grounds that answering that question forces you to incriminate yourself. You don't have to help prosecutors lock you up.

You can't take the fifth over questions of other people, but you can if by answering you would be admitting you were committing a crime as well.

Example: You and your friend, Mike, work as salespeople at a high-end TV store and during the night you see Mike take money but not ring up a sale correctly, then pocket the money. You before you report this to your manager, Police walk into the store and arrest Mike. The manager had been suspecting someone was stealing but didn't know which employee it was.

Now you were on the stand as a witness and the lawyer asked you "While were at your job, did you ever see your friend, Mike, a fellow salesman, steal the cash from the till, or ring up a sale but pocket the money".

Well in this example you have to answer (how you answer is up to you...you shouldn't lie as a felony isn't worth it if anyone found out you had lied). You can't take the fifth as answering their question doesn't incriminate yourself.


A good example comes from wikipedia:

One famous example of "taking the fifth" in recent history was when Colonel Oliver North was asked to testify before Congress regarding his role in destroying documents during the Iran-Contra Affair. North refused to answer on the grounds that his answers would incriminate him for obstruction of justice.


In Matt's example, IF they ever took him to court, he has the right to take the fifth if they ask him a question like "Did you, at any time, sell lasers rated over 5mW to person or persons inside the United States of America?", they could have the evidence of sales and even his posts here but he doesn't have to admit his guilt. Pleading the Fifth is like pleading "no contest". You are not admitting guilt nor denying it.

Now I am NOT advising anyone here...just laying out examples.
 
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