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What we could do is just flag BST spam and have the mods take care of it. That way if there are killer deals, or WTBs, or neat products they can still make it in. I don't know if anyone would trust some 3-post-to-his-name person with broken English selling standard-fare laser pointers anyway.
 





That's what was done before... not sure if what we have now is an improvement, but it does work.

Mainly, in creating this thread, I just wanted the same rules sticky posted in the General and Welcome sections. I realize it's kind of redundant, but it will increase the chances that people will read and post.
 
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Search back through the completed sales.
I believe that you will find that this is a non-issue
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Water under the bridge for me... I'm was really going on a very strong assumption anyhow, assumption with strong harping spider senses.
 
isn't the 20 post restriction there, at least in part, to protect other forum members?

I jumped on Charlotte's wicked laser offer and paypal'd the money before the post was deleted. Today, I see Charlotte posted the same ad in several forums. I'm worried.

There is a sucker born every minute, and I'm really beginning to feel like one.
 
It is kind of for safety, but the 20 post restriction is not likely to do anything to deter a determined scammer.

If anything it just acts as a secondary spam filter imo.

As long as you didn't send as gift, you'll probably be fine, but keep an eye on the other listings. Did she make the other threads, on other forums before, or after you sent payment?
 
InfinitusEquitas said:
Did she make the other threads, on other forums before, or after you sent payment?
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Sadly, it appears after. a whole day, after.

Hello I'm not at home at the moment I will send it right away soon as I'm back

Regards
Charlotte

On 14 Jan 2013, at 19:14, "Anonymous Four" wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> Would you mind forwarding a picture to me you used to show what you are
> selling? The one used on the laserpointerforums website has already been
> deleted (because it solicited a high risk sale.)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Peter
>
>
>> Thankyou Peter I will email you soon as I've sent it off tomorrow if not
>> tomorrow it will be Wednesday as I need to go to the post office.
>>
>> On 14 Jan 2013, at 16:15, "Anonymous Four" wrote:
>>
>>> $$$$ it is. PayPal sent.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>> Hi Peter PayPal address is getprogames@live.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> I will wrap the package well in foam and bubble wrap to secure delivery
>>>>
>>>> So $$$$ is ok
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Charlotte
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Jan 2013, at 16:04, "Anonymous Four" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ms. Charlotte,
>>>>>
>>>>> PayPal is fine. The amount is not too great, so I think I am willing
>>>>> to
>>>>> take this risk. Confirm the PayPal amount and email address, and let
>>>>> us
>>>>> see how this goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> My shipping address is:
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Schlosser
>>>>> xxxx Albany Dr
>>>>> Santa Rosa, CA 95401
>>>>> USA
>>>>> xxx-xxx-xxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> I can send PayPal payment, straight away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Schlosser
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry Peter, I trust paypals safe seller system and if I cannot sell
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> product to someone on your forums it will have to go onto eBay, it
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> sent first class recorded post with tracking number available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 Jan 2013, at 15:54, "Anonymous Four" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlotte,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I don't know who you are, this is typically done using a
>>>>>>> middle
>>>>>>> man.
>>>>>>> I send the middle-man payment, you send them the goods. When they
>>>>>>> confirm we both sent what we promised, they forward payment to you,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the goods to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that doesn't suit you, I welcome hearing what you recommend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Peter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be more than happy to let it go for $$$$ how would we go
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> shipping? It will be delivered first class recorded post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlotte
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14 Jan 2013, at 15:41, "Anonymous Four"
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am interested in your laser. I want to take it apart and put a
>>>>>>>>> bigger
>>>>>>>>> laser diode in that host. I can offer $$$$ for the laser. I am
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> interested in the goggles, but if you're set on selling them with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> laser, I can offer $$$ for each pair, for a total of $$$$. I'll
>>>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the shipping to the USA, as well. Let me know if you're
>>>>>>>>> interested,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> we can discuss how to proceed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Schlosser
>>>>>>>>> xxx-xxx-xxxx
>
>
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the times, shown above are GMT. I made my payment:

Sent to:
adam walsh (The recipient of this payment is Non-U.S. - Verified)
Email:
getprogames@live.co.uk

Date:
Jan 14, 2013
Time:
08:14:35 PST
Status:
Completed

Your transfer from your credit card to your PayPal account is complete.
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The recipient of this payment is Non-U.S. - Verified

That's a bit red flag, is she from UK? I thought this was a domestic sale, within US?

Also first class mail? Big no, no. If it's in the US, IMO always spend the extra $12-$15 for priority.

If you don't have a tracking number by tomorrow evening, I would put open a dispute if I were you... that still leaves 2-3 weeks for you to work with, but at least it will put a hold on the funds, if they are still in paypal.
 
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it will be sent first class recorded post with tracking number available.
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If you don't get a Tracking number within a few days or
you get the tracking number runaround... I would open
a PayPal Dispute just to hold the Funds before they can
be taken out of the seller's account.

Then when/if the Laser shows up safe and sound you
can cancel the Dispute.


Jerry

You can contact us at any time through our Website: J.BAUER Electronics
 
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--- On Wed, 1/16/13, READ Box <readbox@live.co.uk> wrote:
>From: READ Box <readbox@live.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: Arctic spyder laser pointer has to go!
>To: xxxxx@yahoo.com
>Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 3:18 PM

>hello ryan seen as tho i have had no interest in it i will accept whatever you think is a reasonable price to pay ?

>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:22:43 -0800
>> From: xxxxx@yahoo.com
>> Subject: Arctic spyder laser pointer has to go!
>> To: readbox@live.co.uk
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm interested in your laser for sale on laserpointerforums.com. How much are you asking for it, and where are you shipping it from?
>>
>> Ryan
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This really looks like a scam. No surprise, huh? :scowl: The seller responded to an inquiry from another email address with wording suggesting they are prepared to sell the item yet, again.

PayPal dispute started.

This may be a good lesson to other newcomers. And it also seems like common sense, too.

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---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: RE: Wicked Laser Deal
From: "Anonymous Four"
Date: Wed, January 16, 2013 8:05 am
To: "READ Box" <readbox@live.co.uk>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charlotte,

Thank you. This is good news. What about tracking information?
Further, you didn't follow through and send me the image you said you
would send me.

Peter

> Hello peter i have dispatched the laser today First class post with royal
> mail i have doubled wrapped it in bubble wrap and foam let me know when it
> arrives.
> Charlotte.
>
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:33:48 -0800
>> Subject: Re: Wicked Laser Deal
>> From: xxx@xxxxxxx
>> To: readbox@live.co.uk
>>
>> Hello, Charlotte,
>>
>> Any updates or anything? I've been expecting to hear back from you.
>> I hope all is well.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Peter
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Definite scam, check this out. (Start from the bottom)

Hi billy I've just spoke to my husband and he said its too risky he said only get the full payment or the laser will be going to a friend of his.:


I will accept $80 then I will accept rest of the payment once the laser arrives.

On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, "< wrote:

I would absolutely love this laser but the risk of this being a scam is pretty high, and as you said you had no interest from anyone else, I personally think my offer is rather reasonable.

Thank you very much
Billy

P.S. I would be willing to up my offer to $105 if you can take part payments

Sent from my iPad

On 17/01/2013, at 2:37 AM, "READ Box" <> wrote:

Sorry billy you are getting the laser for next to nothing I paid $360 for this and it works perfectly fine I abide by PayPal's seller protection and I can assure you the laser will arrive.

On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:33, "< wrote:

Hi Charlotte, would you be willing to accept part payment now and the remainder of the money once it arrives?

Thank you very much
Billy

Sent from my iPad

On 17/01/2013, at 2:17 AM, "READ Box" <:

Hello billy seen as tho ive had no interest in it i will be more than happy to let it go for $80 it will be shipped first class post royal mail i will wrap it in bubble wrap and foam blocks

Please reply with your shipping address and send payment to

Charlotte.

> Subject: Laser
> From:
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:05:24 +1100
> To:
>
> Hi
>
> I will give you $80 for it + international shipping (I live in Australia) I can pay via Paypal for extra protection for both of us
>
> Thank you very much
> Billy
>
 
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Well, the good news is, you will get your money back out.

The only danger here may be in her/him sending you a padded envelope with some crap in it, just to provide paypal with a tracking number.

If you do happen to receive the package, do not accept it, or if it's left by the door, bring it back to post office, and should you choose to open it, certainly videotape opening it.
 
InfinitusEquitas said:
If you do happen to receive the package, do not accept it, or if it's left by the door, bring it back to post office, and should you choose to open it, certainly videotape opening it.
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Oh, good idea. Don't even open it. I cannot say I even feel curious, at this point, what might be in it.
 
Yup, personally I would just refuse delivery. Besides, if you're expecting a large lase, but get a small padded envelope with seemingly nothing inside... no reason to open it.
 
rangedunits said:
To avoid scam and fraud,

3years member
2000post?


:)
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Make that 4000 post, 5 year member and 200+ rep. :)

I think the way it is now is fine. 20 posts and no neg rep is good. This is still an open forum. People should have reasonable restrictions for the B/S/T section.
 
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