BluRay said:
How about this to sort out some of the trouble.
How bout you tell me who you want paid, and than i pay whoever you owe the money too, and those people will contact PayPal and retract their complaint or tell PP that they've recieved the item, and its solves some claim. at least that way Paypal will remove those people and PP will be off your back for awhile.
Whats your thought on this solution? or i should just pay BF after i get the go ahead from Murudai?
Tommy
An excellent idea Tommy. It will be interesting to read BF's response to this
I think I'm fairly clear on the issue. However, this new "wrinkle" of which we have only BF's word, would allow BF to get cash in hand again. I will simply remind everyone of BF's propensity and willingness to present a skilled lie to get what he wants. His whole goal here from the beginning was to get cash in hand. I will email PayPal to ask about this "closing off" of an account with claims against it and let them know that he is trying to (or already has) set up an alternate account. IF he comes up with this new account and communicates it to anyone, please share that new account info to the group. PayPal will want to know what it is.
If he insists that his PayPal addy cannot receive funds AND he is unwilling to allow you to send the funds to another member, my vote is to protect yourself and the other members of the list. Do NOT buy the laser. I know it is VERY tempting. He is offering deals that are too good to be true. However, you should remember, that is how con men work. The deal sounds so good and the con man seems so earnest that even though you don't completely trust them, you do the deal anyway. Then when you get ripped off, you feel a bit guilty for being so gullible. His stories will all contain the reasons why he just can't comply with the safeguards in place against him.
You see, BF (like all con men and scammers) thinks that he is smarter than you. He thinks that he is sooooo much smarter than you that he can trick you because you are too stupid to be able to figure out what he is doing until it is too late. He also thinks that even if he rips you off once, you are so stupid that he can come back with another good story and get you to give him money again. He will probably send you a PM or email explaining why you shouldn't listen to me or the others warning you on the list because he is soooooo sorry for what happened and he has changed. That he is trying his best to make it right. He will solicit your "help" in making things right by avoiding the "meanies" who talk smack about him on the list. They just don't know how honest he actually is and that it was a certain set of circumstances that forced him to do what he did.
If you will notice with this last batch of posts by him trying to "set it right," he began by trying to get around the safeguards that we put in place for dealing with this scammer. As we put blocks in front of his attempts to get around them, he adapted his story to compensate. After we refused his attempt to get around us, he suddenly no longer had the urgent need. You will also notice that all of his communications are filled with qualifiers like "may", "when he is able". "as soon as some other thing happens", etc. so he can say that he didn't REALLY lie to you. It is the world that keeps trying to put him down and keep him down. He will ask you to please help him get back to just even. He will keep talking and changing the story until somebody is fooled.
If it gets to the point where no one is listening to him again (as has happened at least twice before), he will drop out of sight for awhile again until he figures that the heat has died down or there are enough NOOB's on the list that he can get away with the same lies that worked in the past.
There is a new way to get around your new attempt to get cash in hand again Rowan. What say you to Tommy sending the money for the laser to the next person on the list that you ripped off?
BTW, how far along are you in getting the other laser mailed off to Sawt? Here is my prediction. Even though he said in an earlier post that he "could" come up with enough money to ship a package with tracking if he had to, he will suddenly not be able to get enough money together to simply ship this unit to Sawt. Oh yeah, and that he just doesn't have enough free time to get down to the post office to ship it. Those are two of his lies he used quite frequently to get people to wait long enough to file PayPal claims against him, that it would be too late to file a claim.
Here is a great start back for you. Send the laser to Sawt and have Tommy send the money for the other laser to the next person or persons that you owe money to after Muradai evaluates it.
Peace,
dave
