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FrozenGate by Avery

2010 Pro Series - Elite From Wicked Lasers

I don't hate anyone and I don't think it's cool to hate anyone, I'm just giving my honest opinion.
 





ixfd64 said:
Wow, you're pretty lucky.

I'd ask to be a reviewer, but I don't think "Steve" is going to choose me given that I have previously criticized Wicked Lasers a lot in the past.
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Well, you never know!

It is obvious that one of the things that they are trying to do is restore lost confidence, so he may just want you to review one! :)
Jay
 
Great review jayrob! The one thing I dislike about it was that you didn't include a single con. No laser is perfect, there has to be something (other than what other members mentioned price wise)...

It would make the review perfect :)
 
I have a very important question that nobody has bothered to ask.

How is a laser with no delay, no key switch, and no aperture shutter FDA compliant?

Either:

a) Wickedlasers somehow convinced the US/FDA to change their laws on lasers just for them.

b) The accession number that Wicked claims they have for these lasers is actually for a different product and they are hoping nobody will notice.

c) Wickedlasers is straight up lying to you.

I really don't know which of these is the truth, but maybe one of you guys should challenge Wicked on this rather then just taking them at face value. I know the laws and neither this device nor any of the other Wicked PRO series is compliant as far as I can tell.
 
ZRTMWA said:
Great review jayrob! The one thing I dislike about it was that you didn't include a single con. No laser is perfect, there has to be something (other than what other members mentioned price wise)...

It would make the review perfect :)
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I honestly don't have any 'cons'...

Maybe that it's kind of long, but that is expected with a 2 X AA supply. Or maybe the finish could be of higher quality, but it's not like I know all about different finish qualities and stuff. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad finish. Just trying hard to find something to 'pick' at. It's finish is very nice! (IMO)



Justin, there is a number (sticker) on the inside of the battery compartment. I am assuming that this is the accession number for this unit.

As far as how the FDA approves of different devices, I don't know. But I have read somewhere that there are exceptions and other considerations that they can approve. I just don't know all the details, and to be honest, I'm not planning on selling, so I am not too interested in trying to call them out on anything like that myself...
Jay
 
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Hey Jay...
I have no personal experience with their products...
but from all the negative sentiment about WL that had read since
I've been on LPF... I think they are making an effort to set their
quality yardstick much higher...

It is nice to see that all the reviewers seem to be satisfied and happy
with their results.... All the reviews so far seem to reflect that...

@the guys.... If you want to bash a company... there is a specific
section on LPF to do that..
Unless you have first hand knowledge of the Laser being reviewed..
I really don't think this is the place to air your Likes/Dislikes of a
Seller...

Just my
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BTW... almost forgot... Great review Jay....
you do seem to have a way with words...;)


Jerry
 
Those are some fine words from you Jerry! And thanks for the compliments! :)

I would not be surprised one bit if you got a PM to do a review...

In fact, I'm kind of surprised that you have not been chosen yet!
Jay
 
Here's my opinion in a nutshell (since we're sharing). IF I payed anywhere near the prices that Wicked asks for their lasers (even if I was someone who knows nothing of lasers) and the systems I bought weren't absolutely amazing, not just OK, not just good or great, I mean freaking AMAZING, I would be pissed and that's putting it mildly. Wicked has an artificially inflated market going on, so it is the least they can do to make sure that each and every one of their paying customers get their money's worth. These prices are nearly obscene, so it's a good thing that the lasers at least appear to be decent. We'll know for sure as time passes, but for these prices I would think that a lifetime of at least 20,000 hours wouldn't be too much to ask. I have my reservations about whether or not they'll make 10,000..

I honestly don't have any 'cons'...
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This is an excellent review, but I wonder if that would be different had you payed top dollar for the unit..
 
Justin said:
Jay, what is the number on the inside of the barrel?
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With all due respect, I am not going to be part of an effort to discredit the company.

And if you have noticed, I have not done that in any of my posts or threads. I would not do that to your company either.

Now if somebody 'wronged' me in some way, then yes of course I would say stuff. But I have not had any problems with WL, and I don't agree with trying to find some way to discredit them...
Jay
 
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^I get what you're saying Jay, but if Wicked can't provide accession numbers, which Justin's company can, then it's not discrediting them as much as it is pointing out that they are in violation of the law. Doing something illegal is what it is.. there is no good reason to protect someone who is breaking the law (IF they actually are breaking the law), and Wicked, if they truly want to improve their image, should have no problem providing the accession numbers. This isn't about discrediting the company, it's about what's legal and what isn't. if Wicked is breaking the law, then they should be held accountable just like anyone else.

Look, I've been reading all these review threads without much to say until now. I really feel that Wicked must be in dire straits financially to give away this much merchandise in exchange for reviews here (also, this is a testament to the power of LPF).. I have every alarm in my being going off over this, because I think that a company that has been proven to be shady in the past should have to earn respect back rather than try to buy it back. Some other senior members here asked Steve if they could do reviews as well once they heard about what's being done here. I did not because I feel that this whole thing is just another shady Wicked proposition (no offense to those who did, different strokes, etc..). I'm not biased by personal experience, but I do pay attention to what has been written on LPF about various people's experiences and Wicked seems to have a well-deserved bad name. Given the fact that it was their actions that led to them having a bad name, I ask: Should we just hand them their reputation back just because they gave out some samples of their overpriced products (which to be fair seem much improved)? IMO, no. We should not.
 
For sure a company's reputation will be earned over a period of time.

And because of this move (making their new product line a huge topic of conversation), they are going to have to really stay on top of customer service and QC in order to build or re-build their reputation.

This it what is encouraging. (to me anyway)

About the number, there is a number there. Who knows if it is supposed to be the FDA accession number, or just a serial number?

I think that if anybody wants to know what the accession number is, then they need to talk to the owner/representative of the company. Not just me guessing that this is the accession number...
Jay
 
jayrob said:
For sure a company's reputation will be earned over a period of time.

And because of this move (making their new product line a huge topic of conversation), they are going to have to really stay on top of customer service and QC in order to build or re-build their reputation.

This it what is encouraging. (to me anyway)

About the number, there is a number there. Who knows if it is supposed to be the FDA accession number, or just a serial number?

I think that if anybody wants to know what the accession number is, then they need to talk to the owner/representative of the company. Not just me guessing that this is the accession number...
Jay
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I have noticed a sticker on the inside but it may be the unit production serial.
 
For all the people that absolutely must know what the Laser product
accession number is.....
Why don't you ask the manufacturer rather that the guys that did a review...

IIRC... there were also no prices included with the lasers... any speculations
as to the actual price is in the air...

I don't know if anyone remembers.... but there were no Instructions or
certificates or other legal documents (besides a power chart) included with
these lasers....
It is not the responsibility of the Reviewer to hunt down these document...
but to do a Fair and Honest review of the item in front of him..

You want more info than the reviewer can supply..... take it up with the
people that can... namely WL...

We here on LPF shouldn't be pointing the "it's not legal" finger too much...
there is a lot of questionable activity right here... you know....
"glass houses...":cool:


Jerry
 
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Actually, there's not all that much illegal activity here. As I recall, complete turn-key laser pointers aren't being blatantly sold except occationally by individuals. Being as how this is a laser forum, you'd expect to see some private individuals trading devices. I (and the FDA to a certain degree) draw the line at the point at which one goes from a private individual selling one or two systems to a business selling complete high-powered laser systems as a matter of course. OEM devices and parts are in no way illegal to sell or trade. What one does with their systems after they buy or build them is no real concern to LPF itself, provided they aren't doing stupid things like pointing at cops and aircraft etc.. Those things concern the very future of the hobby itself.

The price quotes i have seen I assume to have been provided by Wicked to those who are reviewing them, but you're right I haven't seen anything on their website, nor have I looked. I still stand behind what I said in my last post. IMO There's absolutely no reason for me to give Wicked the benefit of the doubt when they have proven exactly where they stand on numerous occasions..
 
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I can't argue with you on something that I have no knowledge of either...
Only time will tell if these new products from WL will stand the test of time
and if there is good customer service to back up that product...

I have personally never dealt with WL... so I don't know any more than
what I've read on LPF...

If I had a bad reputation on LPF I would make an effort to change that....

Wait... I think I already DID...:yh:


Jerry
 
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