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Wtb: Lpm 3w+

Tmack said:
How much are you asking?
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Avoid LB at all costs! The owner, who is supposed to "support" this community, has been MIA for over a month now. When he is here he just bashes on other peoples LPM designs and tries to call them out for "errors" which end up being nothing and he looks dumb for it. If he put as much time into his product as he did bashing other other products and promoting his LPMs to all the noobs, then dang, he'd have a solid product but he doesnt so avoid at all costs!
 





if LB stands for laserbee, then this makes yet another post i have read saying this...that they are unreliable, rude, unresponsive, etc etc. Sad though, they seem like such nice professional meters.
 
crazyspaz said:
if LB stands for laserbee, then this makes yet another post i have read saying this...that they are unreliable, rude, unresponsive, etc etc. Sad though, they seem like such nice professional meters.
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Yup, i dont use the company name since i dont believe in them. Just search the forum, he is a member here:
Threads Laser Pointers - Search Results
Posts: http://laserpointerforums.com/search.php?searchid=1280700
You'll find enough to make your own decision :beer:
 
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Laserbee meters are perfectly fine meters, and the service from the company is fine too. I own a Laserbee and it does its job perfectly. It is certainly more reliable than the Kenometer I have that tends to overheat because of the case (note, this is the original Kenometer, not the newer Kenometer Pros).

All-in-all, the Laserbee is a decent meter for a decent price, and was, for a time, the only thermopile-type meter at that price point. I'm still not sure if any of the other meter sellers really have a meter on the market in sufficient quantities to have it suggested. I would still suggest Laserbees for people who want a hobbiest meter that works pretty decently and costs less than many thermopiles alone.

The company of Lasersbee (J Bauer) is decent as well, though I've never used their services as my meter has always worked. J Bauer does service and fix the meters provided you pay for the shipping and the service. I haven't heard anything bad about the services except maybe that shipping to Canada costs money (when getting a warranty repair).

As for the person (LaserSbee, with an S):

People on here are just pissed with the seller Lasersbee because of his posts. It's like how people on here are pissed with Kenom for his financial problems, even if he produced some good meters and hosts too. Unfortunately, it seems the "meter arguments" between Lasersbee and others always brings out inferiority complexes on all sides. There is also a lot of WHINING by people who get -repped by him for some of their posts because he has traditionally had a pretty high rep (in part from those lame Welcome-forum posts). Then there seemed to be a concentrated effort to -rep him (deserved or undeserved) and it's one reason he's laying low. Some deserved it, some didn't. People need to get over the whole rep thing in general.

Lasersbee likes to address issues from a business perspective, namely in protecting his intellectual property, and yes he often comes across rude and sometimes condescending when he does. For example, some members here have reversed engineered Laserbees to put their own firmware on it, and Lasersbee (the person) has threatened that it will void their warranty. Still, while some people think that policy is rude or "unfair", it is really just standard practice with a product you own.

So basically, decide for yourself what you want. I personally have had no problems with Lasersbee or his meters. I also don't participate in all the endless arguing that seems to surround these meter posts; I also think all sides in those debates showcase their immaturity. Some people may say that Laserbee meters are garbage -- but they're lying or just being spiteful. There may be other meters that are better, but Laserbees are still decent meters for their price.
 
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Bionic-Badger said:
There may be other meters that are better, but Laserbees are still decent meters for their price.
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They may have been good for the money in the past. Over the last 18 months or so, in the absence of competition, the price of the 2.5W USB meter got jacked up from $120 to over $220 (shipping fee excluded). IMO anyone that recently purchased one kind of got shafted. The product they bought was really no better, but they paid approaching twice as much. :can:

With respect to everything else in your post, his attitude toward and behavior surrounding Peregrine is also worth examination.

Trevor
 
And also in response to the price, last time I checked a LB 5W was more expensive than a Delta- Rubicon and the LB doesn't have a on screen graph, just a plain jane power display........pay more get less, this isn't the Macy's way
 
Trevor said:
They may have been good for the money in the past. Over the last 18 months or so, in the absence of competition, the price of the 2.5W USB meter got jacked up from $120 to over $220 (shipping fee excluded). IMO anyone that recently purchased one kind of got shafted. The product they bought was really no better, but they paid approaching twice as much. :can:
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Give me a break. Nobody got "shafted". The price is what the market will bear. Don't buy a meter if it costs too much for you. If the price went up, well, that's too bad. Nobody is entitled to a certain price on a meter. It's like whining about the price of bitcoins.

And yes, it is from a lack of competition. For all the rhetoric that gets spewed about superior meters and all that, where is the competition they're supposed to generate? Why can Lasersbee even sell meters at the price he pegs them at if the competition is supposedly so much better? Why hasn't the market been saturated with other, superior meters?

Well that just hasn't happened. It looks like to me that Lasersbee is still the winning bet at this point. People on this forum can ramble on and on about "their" meters' better firmware, sensors, or whatever; however, without a marketable product by the competition, the Laserbee still wins out because it's a viable product that you can actually buy.

It's for these reasons that I still suggest people go buy a Laserbee if they want a relatively cheap and working meter. $220? Well, that's the price, which is still cheaper than most meters available (including my Kenometer). I simply can't suggest an alternative because nobody sells them in quantity despite all the bluster of the alternative meter designers.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
 
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Bionic-Badger said:
And yes, it is from a lack of competition. For all the rhetoric that gets spewed about superior meters and all that, where is the competition they're supposed to generate? Why can Lasersbee even sell meters at the price he pegs them at if the competition is supposedly so much better? Why hasn't the market been saturated with other, superior meters?
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Challenge accepted. Time for pudding AND cake!

Craig
 
Livinloud said:
Avoid LB at all costs! The owner, who is supposed to "support" this community, has been MIA for over a month now. When he is here he just bashes on other peoples LPM designs and tries to call them out for "errors" which end up being nothing and he looks dumb for it. If he put as much time into his product as he did bashing other other products and promoting his LPMs to all the noobs, then dang, he'd have a solid product but he doesnt so avoid at all costs!
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I would have to agree with this post. Laserbee is a huge f*king arsehole(finally ive said it) he ALWAYS tried to make my life difficult here.

I am right now the guy with the cheapest lpm though and works. You'l get no support with the product but it will work for now. Even has dataligging!
But if you have the money go for other lpm's.

Price can be talked about by the way.

Edit: oops this isnt my sale topic. Please move this discussion.
 
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LB has competition in the form of Rubicon, Radiant and BlueFan plus all the DIY kits. Funny how when competition comes he is gone :thinking: coincidence?
 
Great! I hope these alternatives succeed! The other meters bring competition and that can drive the price of LPMs down.

But let's all dispense about people getting "shafted" because Laserbees went up in price with little extra value. If you want it and have the money for, buy it. Or don't. nobody forces you to buy things, or that a product price be kept low. In fact, these overpriced products help drive innovations in alternatives that others will seek out -- should they exist.
 
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