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Wicked Lasers Arctic Dissected






Pontiacg5 said:
Your intelligence shows, and it explains a lot.

I shall waste no more time trying to explain it to you. Steve could lay a massive log in his toilet, mail it to you and you would cherish it.

Edit: oh wait, he already did!
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Riiiiiiiight.

Clearly you are a person who's opinion must be taken seriously?!

I mean aside from the arrogance, errors, and plain rudeness, do you actually own one, or to put it more accurately given your point of view, have owned several and done enough with them to validate anything?
 
plexus said:
As long as the heat from the LD is being dissipated appropriately and none of the components of the driver are being pushed beyond spec, the rest is mechanical design. I am going to try and get my arctic apart and measure the temp at the diode and examine the heatsink. its possible they just put tons of thermal grease in there because they were being lazy. but i'll take a look and take some measurements.

I'd like to find a way to get at the driver board without having to disassemble it the way you did. it might not be possible. And as for the jumper on the driver board, that is not an issue - as long as the driver is being operated within operating tolerances. afterall, to set C output on other drivers (eg. drlava's flex and boost) jumpers need to be set.
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bbshamsa said:
Riiiiiiiight.

Clearly you are a person who's opinion must be taken seriously?!

I mean aside from the arrogance, errors, and plain rudeness, do you actually own one, or to put it more accurately given your point of view, have owned several and done enough with them to validate anything?
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Looks like you have a double account. You do know you will get banned if caught? Better hope the IPs dont match.
 
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bbshamsa said:
Amazing!

By your own count you find 5 examples, and after reading those I notice that some, if not all, are not conclusive. The ones I read all had suggestions made by experienced members that hadn't been tried yet, or before the complaining OP's bungled attempts made sure things did break.

THAT is a brief yet objective take on the reports of failed Arctics so far.

I never cease to be amazed at how some people talk with such conviction and confidence on little more than... Nothing really.

So far, the only consistent and reliable point raised so far with reference to Arctics has been the batteries; some people have had dodgy ones, or a faulty charger in one case. Either way, nothing to do with the laser and its apparent quality of build.

Furthermore, EVERYTHING is only relevant when considered against price, and anyone who's had issues so far only paid $200 for it. With the $100 difference between that and the non-introductory price you could afford to send it back twice, which would be unlikely as in both cases, WL lose out.
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This is pretty funny, I have no idea why these guys love the Arctic so damn much. But if they are happy with an overpriced, under developed piece of crap that is the Arctic let em order it. They are so damn devoted to them (for what reason?) you could show them 100 dead Arctics and they would find a reason to explain why they all broke.

Keep on kissing up though, I'm sure Steve appreciates it.
 
Tech_Junkie said:
Looks like you have a double account. You do know you will get banned if caught? Better hope the IPs dont match.
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WTF are you on about?

I have no idea what that even means, but if you're suggesting that the other quote in your last post is also me then, what can I say?

Clearly you have some issue seeing as you've gone to such lengths to check my account out.

To top it all, you've come to a totally random and wrong conclusion!!

"LMAO"
 
bbshamsa said:
WTF are you on about?

I have no idea what that even means, but if you're suggesting that the other quote in your last post is also me then, what can I say?

Clearly you have some issue seeing as you've gone to such lengths to check my account out.

To top it all, you've come to a totally random and wrong conclusion!!

"LMAO"
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bbshamsa, most of the people (~70%) on this forum are in their 20's or younger (see http://laserpointerforums.com/f58/how-old-we-49585.html). further their primary interest is in burning things with lasers and not the physics or science of them. you can see this in their "arguments" which lack science and logic. in fact, from a purely heuristic standpoint it appears that this 70/30 ratio pretty much reflects the over-all pool of forum users that are interested in burning things vs those interested in the fascinating science of lasers. so you can't expect young kids who want to burn stuff to formulate sound logical conclusions and arguments based on the scientific method, at least on here. but not all of the younger people on here are prone to this kind of rude behaviour - in fact its pretty rare in general. your best bet is to ignore this kind of banter and focus on your own interests. you will also find there are a handful of "culprits" who are much worse in terms indiscriminate angry or rude posting. you have just identified them. they are like flies attracted to fly paper.

as a good example, check out this post and the reply http://laserpointerforums.com/f39/c...n-polished-445-fs-500mw-54356.html#post768106 . now check my rep. the OP gave me -rep for asking if he had power meter readings for his laser, which is a common and reasonable question in these forums.
 
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plexus said:
bbshamsa, most of the people (~70%) on this forum are in their 20's or younger (see http://laserpointerforums.com/f58/how-old-we-49585.html). further their primary interest is in burning things with lasers and not the physics or science of them. you can see this in their "arguments" which lack science and logic. in fact, from a purely heuristic standpoint it appears that this 70/30 ratio pretty much reflects the over-all pool of forum users that are interested in burning things vs those interested in the fascinating science of lasers. so you can't expect young kids who want to burn stuff to formulate sound logical conclusions and arguments based on the scientific method, at least on here. but not all of the younger people on here are prone to this kind of rude behaviour - in fact its pretty rare in general. your best bet is to ignore this kind of banter and focus on your own interests. you will also find there are a handful of "culprits" who are much worse in terms indiscriminate angry or rude posting. you have just identified them. they are like flies attracted to fly paper.

as a good example, check out this post and the reply http://laserpointerforums.com/f39/c...n-polished-445-fs-500mw-54356.html#post768106 . now check my rep. the OP gave me -rep for asking if he had power meter readings for his laser, which is a common and reasonable question in these forums.
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Ha,

I left you a negative rep because you come into my for sale thread with a sarastic comment (DO you have LPM outputs for these?) I put in the OP that I have no way to measure the output of the thing. You never read, you just go around assuming you know everything because you are older (oooh!)

But you know everything because you made a HeNe laser (oh wow! you can hook two wires up to a glass tube!)

Also, as to this comment

plexus said:
further their primary interest is in burning things with lasers and not the physics or science of them.
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What exactly did you buy two Arctics for then? The Science? Because there sure is a lot of science involved in putting batteries in something and pressing a button. I guess it does get tricky because that cheap piece plastic "safety interlock key" absolutely refuses to stay in place.

Your arguments make me laugh, I hope I'm not the only one who can see what a gigantic tool you are.
 
Can we stay on topic and not have this thread deleted?

Has anyone tried an aixiz lens in an Arctic and compared the output to the original lens?

Also, I have seen posts listing the output anywhere from 500ish mW when there were focusing issues with the first old style lens to
as much as 1.2W. What is the typical output?

I don't have a LPM so I can't tell you what mine puts out. It will light a match and easily slice electrical tape at 20 ft.

Aside from the lame battery and too much goop around the lens housing, mine has worked fine, with the longest run times of 30 and 50 minutes.
 
I've tried a Jayrob 405-g-1 lens in my arctic and will not work. I've talked to Jay about it and we aren't sure what the problem is. it seems to be (we are hoping) that the lens doesn't go far enough down into the module. This might indicate that WL is not using stock an aiaxis lens as the 405-g-1 is modeled off the aiaxis.

oh and pontiacg5, if you feel asking if you have LPM outputs for lasers you are selling is sarcastic, you are clearly very insecure. i feel sorry for you.
 
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plexus said:
bbshamsa, most of the people (~70%) on this forum are in their 20's or younger (see http://laserpointerforums.com/f58/how-old-we-49585.html). further their primary interest is in burning things with lasers and not the physics or science of them. you can see this in their "arguments" which lack science and logic. in fact, from a purely heuristic standpoint it appears that this 70/30 ratio pretty much reflects the over-all pool of forum users that are interested in burning things vs those interested in the fascinating science of lasers. so you can't expect young kids who want to burn stuff to formulate sound logical conclusions and arguments based on the scientific method, at least on here. but not all of the younger people on here are prone to this kind of rude behaviour - in fact its pretty rare in general. your best bet is to ignore this kind of banter and focus on your own interests. you will also find there are a handful of "culprits" who are much worse in terms indiscriminate angry or rude posting. you have just identified them. they are like flies attracted to fly paper.

as a good example, check out this post and the reply http://laserpointerforums.com/f39/c...n-polished-445-fs-500mw-54356.html#post768106 . now check my rep. the OP gave me -rep for asking if he had power meter readings for his laser, which is a common and reasonable question in these forums.
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The 70/30 ratio also seems to represent the amount of people here just for the Arctic as opposed to the true hobbyists. And with the Arctic nitwits comes a large percentage of the whole "burning things" pyromania.

Sure, some people are here to burn stuff with lasers, and that's what they enjoy about laser pointers. Isn't this called the laser pointer forums? So shouldn't this house them too?

These forum veterans that are attacking you are doing it because you're obviously limelighting the Arctic. You ignore most of the negative comments and criticism that attached to it, and give illogical statements about the rest. You basically say "Even though they took the easy way out by using this or that instead of what they should have been using to make a quality product, it works for me at this point in time so I have no criticism." Obviously these faults aren't working for everyone else, as something is causing their lasers to break. ;) I'm not admitting it was Wicked Lasers fault for all of them, I'm sure some idiots did it themselves, but I believe a large majority is because of WL.

Now, I'll tell you why I believe the Arctic is a POS. It's because Wicked Lasers is a piece of shit company. Here's a little list why:

A. They advertised the Arctic at 1W when the vast majority are <800mW. Sure, they say <1W in the technical specs, but that doesn't take back that it also says "The Arctic emits a 445nm cool blue, ultra high power 1W beam which appears up to 4000% brighter than the Sonar's 405nm violet beam." And if you think everyone will find the technical specs tab and read that, they won't.
B. They said the Arctic is TEM00, which it clearly isn't.
C. Wicked Lasers put the Arctics together quickly and carelessly. You can see this from the pictures the OP provided and from the many topics about "y isn't my arctic workin?" They have made shipping mistakes, many of the Arctic's lenses aren't even the same, people have missing parts, they're receiving the wrong models and lasers that don't last for more than a day.
D. Wicked Lasers has horrible customer support. When your Arctic fails, you're pretty much screwed unless you get lucky. These people are out $200. They have a hard time even getting Wicked Lasers.
E. They lie. They told people "we're shipping them out next week!" more than once which turned out to be false, and people who have bought their lasers in early June STILL don't have them. This is probably my biggest gripe with them.
F. They run the "Laser Community" forum where they would not allow negative posts about their product or positive comments on other company's. I don't even believe you can say "laserpointerforums.com" there.

If you saw ~1 month ago the sheer amount of Arctic topics being made, you would understand why these forum vets are angry (maybe you did though, and maybe you were just a part of them). You couldn't browse the forum without seeing the same questions over and over and over. Then, all these Arctic newbies began arguing and posting off-topic everywhere. You might as well called this the "Wicked Lasers S3 Spyder Arctic Forum" instead.

From what I've seen and read, this forum is about the science behind lasers. It's also about their burning capabilities and much more. DIY lasers are a large part of this forum, as well as discussing and reviewing different company's products. WL hijacked all of this for a good period of time, however, thanks to their shitty customer support, low-quality products and blatant lies.
 
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plexus said:
I've tried a Jayrob 405-g-1 lens in my arctic and will not work. I've talked to Jay about it and we aren't sure what the problem is. it seems to be (we are hoping) that the lens doesn't go far enough down into the module. This might indicate that WL is not using stock an aiaxis lens as the 405-g-1 is modeled off the aiaxis.

oh and pontiacg5, if you feel asking if you have LPM outputs for lasers you are selling is sarcastic, you are clearly very insecure. i feel sorry for you.
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IIRC, the 405-g-1 is a shorter focal length higher na single element aspheric, while the aixiz glass is a three-element lens.

I guess you could say the 405g1 was modeled off the aixiz, but only because part of the reason this lens was chosen was because it could fit in the aixiz barrels.

Also, the reason why people aren't posting exact reasons why is because they don't feel like we need to prove anything to a noob who doesn't want to search. Part of the reason why all these threads keep on closing is because they're full of crap. Useful crap, but crap nonetheless.
 
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plexus said:
I've tried a Jayrob 405-g-1 lens in my arctic and will not work. I've talked to Jay about it and we aren't sure what the problem is. it seems to be (we are hoping) that the lens doesn't go far enough down into the module. This might indicate that WL is not using stock an aiaxis lens as the 405-g-1 is modeled off the aiaxis.

oh and pontiacg5, if you feel asking if you have LPM outputs for lasers you are selling is sarcastic, you are clearly very insecure. i feel sorry for you.
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Plexus:

I am using a 405-G-1 from Jay, and it works just fine in the Arctic You need to get His Ez-Focus assembly and remove the knurl nut. This allows to assembly to be screwed in deep enough to achieve Focus. I don't have a LPM, but I am getting a higher output.
 
Coherent Light said:
Plexus:

I am using a 405-G-1 from Jay, and it works just fine in the Arctic You need to get His Ez-Focus assembly and remove the knurl nut. This allows to assembly to be screwed in deep enough to achieve Focus. I don't have a LPM, but I am getting a higher output.
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Promising, I may have to give the swap a go when my arctic arrives. Also good post Asa.
 
Wow another failure I am thinking it is about time to cancel my order I already built a >1W 445 anyway.
 
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