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FrozenGate by Avery

Wash your hands folks!!






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From December 2005 through February 2009, a total of 12 human infections with swine influenza were reported from 10 states in the United States.
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OH GOD NO.

NO.

NO, PLEASE!

That's like 10/MILLIONS-of-PEOPLE!!


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lol, hey guys, take it as you may... though the deaths have already started racking up ;) 16 in mexico alone in the past couple of weeks

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gzz357patY4-QaJFvo9O95zMM_EQD97P008G2


There have been confirmed cases in Califronia, and even here in Toronto...  This isnt just the swine flu, but a mix swine, bird and human flu, which has the CDC wondering where it came from considering none of the affected have been in contact with pigs..



"Scientists were trying to determine if the deaths involved the same new strain of swine flu that sickened seven people in Texas and California — a disturbing disease that combines pig, bird and human viruses in a way that researchers have not seen before.

The World Health Organization counted at least 57 deaths in Mexico, but said it wasn't yet clear what flu they died from.

"We are very, very concerned," WHO spokesman Thomas Abraham said. "We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human."
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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/24/swine.flu/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail


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(CNN) -- U.S. health officials expressed concern Friday that a swine flu virus that has infected eight people in the United States matches samples of a virus that has killed at least 60 people in Mexico.



U.S. health experts also are concerned because nearly 1,000 people have fallen ill in Mexico City in a short period of time.

"This situation has been developing quickly," said acting CDC director Richard Besser. "This is something we are worried about."

Of the 14 Mexican samples tested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, seven were identical to the swine flu virus found in Texas and Southern California, Besser said at a news conference.

The eighth U.S. case was reported Friday.

All of the eight U.S. patients have recovered, Besser said. <-------- :)
 
Yes, washing your hands is always a good idea. In fact, using plain 'ol soap and water is more effective than those alcohol-based hand cleansers and you should in fact, stay away from "antibacterial" cleansers containing antibiotics as those perpetuate the resistant bacteria strains like MRSA and others.

Of course, the flu is a virus, so antibiotics won't work against them anyway. Alcohol or other solvent-based products may kill viruses, but you typically have to allow them to soak for at least 30 seconds for effective eradication. However, using soap and water is more effective as the soap will not only help in dissolving cell walls and proteins, but it will also be effective by physically removing them from your skin.

As for these "dangerous" types of flu, the primary concern is for those who don't have good immune systems, like elderly, children or immunocompromised. For most people, this will just be a "nasty" flu. And the flu kills by dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea, so if you do get sick with anything that causes those symptoms, just making sure you drink lots of water to replace those fluids. Those who are too strongly affected to drink or even absorb the water will need medical treatment with IV fluid replacement, however.
 
rkcstr said:
Yes, washing your hands is always a good idea.  In fact, using plain 'ol soap and water is more effective than those alcohol-based hand cleansers and you should in fact, stay away from "antibacterial" cleansers containing antibiotics as those perpetuate the resistant bacteria strains like MRSA and others.

Of course, the flu is a virus, so antibiotics won't work against them anyway.  Alcohol or other solvent-based products may kill viruses, but you typically have to allow them to soak for at least 30 seconds for effective eradication.  However, using soap and water is more effective as the soap will not only help in dissolving cell walls and proteins, but it will also be effective by physically removing them from your skin.

As for these "dangerous" types of flu, the primary concern is for those who don't have good immune systems, like elderly, children or immunocompromised.  For most people, this will just be a "nasty" flu.  And the flu kills by dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea, so if you do get sick with anything that causes those symptoms, just making sure you drink lots of water to replace those fluids.  Those who are too strongly affected to drink or even absorb the water will need medical treatment with IV fluid replacement, however.
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what are you a DR ??????????? lol just kidding
 
I wash my hands only in the shower, and when i did mechanics on my bike only..
That way my immune system is high.


I make sure they are really clean through...
-greg
 
rkcstr said:
Yes, washing your hands is always a good idea.  In fact, using plain 'ol soap and water is more effective than those alcohol-based hand cleansers and you should in fact, stay away from "antibacterial" cleansers containing antibiotics as those perpetuate the resistant bacteria strains like MRSA and others.

Of course, the flu is a virus, so antibiotics won't work against them anyway.  Alcohol or other solvent-based products may kill viruses, but you typically have to allow them to soak for at least 30 seconds for effective eradication.  However, using soap and water is more effective as the soap will not only help in dissolving cell walls and proteins, but it will also be effective by physically removing them from your skin.

As for these "dangerous" types of flu, the primary concern is for those who don't have good immune systems, like elderly, children or immunocompromised.  For most people, this will just be a "nasty" flu.  And the flu kills by dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea, so if you do get sick with anything that causes those symptoms, just making sure you drink lots of water to replace those fluids.  Those who are too strongly affected to drink or even absorb the water will need medical treatment with IV fluid replacement, however.
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Wise tips.. We had SARS here in Toronto a few years back, and it came out of nowhere..

I was out running around today getting ready for our move and have heard constant updates on this whole flu thing. Im not worried for myself, but rather my wife who is 9 months pregnant and due any day, not too mention my grand parents and their weakening immune systems..

Myself, I get sick maybe once every 4 or 5 years (common cold), havent had a flu shot in 15 years, and havent had the flu since I was 6 ;D

I tend to worry about my family and friends much more than I do myself. After all, we are do for some population control in this world :-/
 
That reminds me, women who are pregnant are also at risk due to pregnancy weakening the immune system. So, yes, they are a concern as well, but I don't think this is anything to go crazy over. Just make sure you wash any fresh veggies well, wash your hands before eating and maybe avoid being around others who you know are sick.
 
rkcstr said:
That reminds me, women who are pregnant are also at risk due to pregnancy weakening the immune system.  So, yes, they are a concern as well, but I don't think this is anything to go crazy over.  Just make sure you wash any fresh veggies well, wash your hands before eating and maybe avoid being around others who you know are sick.
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LOL, im not going crazy or anything, just speading the word that theres a new flu in town. I know there are several members here that live in California and Texas.

I havent locked myself in a basement with a high power rifle or anything...yet.. ::) But might just do that if I see the story on FOX :D
 
Oh, I wasn't accusing you of "going crazy".  I just meant that anyone who might be worried shouldn't be overly concerned.  A little awareness is more than enough.  Too bad the media like to "shock and awe" when it comes to new bugs.
 
I wash my hands i'd say 25 times a day average i work at a poultry processing facility germs galore :P
 
[*ignoring all posts] Hey I wash my hands like 12 times a day, I'm clean enough ;) [*/ignoring all posts]
 
Ive been reading and this flu is some scarry stuff..It appears the this bug has the highest mortality rate amongst the young and healthy ages 25 -45 :-/

It is being said that it is the human immune response that kills the patients, not the bug. The bug (h1n1 swine) similar to a strain from 1918 (20 million + deaths), triggers a healthy immune response to fight it, but our immune system ends up attacking the healthy tissue (not that I completely understand this)...

It has been reported and confirmed by the CDC, that this new bug has killed 60 people in Mexico and infected over 1,000 and is now beyond containment.

@ rkcstr, your understanding of the particulars would be an interesting addition to this thread in light of this info.. As this is not coming across as a typical flu bug.

I am now retiring to my basement with a high power rifle :-[
 
The H1N1 strain is what caused the Spanish Flu back in the early 20th century.  The majority of fatal cases were younger people (15-35) and primarily was fatal due to directly causing viral pneumonia.  I was partly mistaken earlier with the dehydration being primary cause of death, it is actually pneumonia, but it seems it isn't extremely common in regular strains in the "normal" individual to get pneumonia, except in the more susceptible populations (elderly, children, pregnant, weak immune system).

The reason it can be so deadly is because untreated pneumonia can cause you to basically not be able to get oxygen into your body any longer due to liquid accumulation in your lungs.  It's basically slow suffocation.  But, it's extremely treatable if you seek medical treatment.  The reason so many people died in previous outbreaks is because of a lack of availability of medical care and comparatively poor medical knowledge and methods of treatment.  Today, if you recognized the need to seek treatment, you should be just fine;  it's the people who try to "tough it out" that end up suddenly having respiratory distress (can't breathe) and then can't get to the hospital in time.  So, here's what an actual medical article gives for what constitutes pneumonia:

"Primary influenza pneumonia manifests with persistent symptoms of cough, sore throat, headache, myalgia [muscle pain], and malaise [feeling sick] for more than 3-5 days. The symptoms worsen with time, and new respiratory symptoms, such as dyspnea [difficulty breathing] and cyanosis [skin turning blue due to lack of oxygen], appear. This form is the least common but the most severe in terms of pulmonary complications."

Secondary influenza can also occur due to a bacterial infection which occurs because the viral infections allow the bacteria to make it into your lungs.  In that case, if you get a bad cough, have trouble breathing and feel weak, and especially if you cough up any red or pink, you should go to the emergency room.  

As for the autoimmune (your immune system attacks your own body) effects, those are uncommon.  They might be more common in the more aggressive strains, but they are still rare.
 
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