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I don't get hassled by the police any longer so it is not my experience that I speak from. But, race relations couldn't be worse than they seem to be right now. Some of that is because of the racist we have in the White House, but this just helps to allow those who would profile minorities feel more emboldened to do so. Because race relations with the police are so bad, minority communities are not calling the police when they become victims of crime. They seem to feel they will likely be victimized even further if they do. I don't see a political solution to this. It must start with a societal change. But, politics can exacerbate these problems.

It is a shame that we seem to have taken several steps backwards instead of progressing to better relations between the police and minorities, but it only goes to show that no matter how much you might think things have changed for the better, they can always go back to the way they were in the past.
 





If you felt you were prejudged as a white person during Obama's tenure that is just hilarious. White people have never been the victims of racism in this country ever. Black's and Hispanics are now the victims of police bias more than ever before. If the president can speak of immigrants to this country as criminals, regardless of the stats showing that immigrants commit fewer crimes than persons born here, it gives legitimacy to racists who have lurked in the shadows to come out and abuse minorities now more than ever.

Bush, was the president before Obama and regardless of his other shortcomings, he made a point to go out of his way to say that Muslims were not the cause of crimes against the American people. He was also not biased against Hispanics either. Besides, didn't you vote for him?
 
The democrats namely Nancy and Chuck could care less about immigrants other than they want their votes, basically the filthy pocket stuffing scumbags want to be in power by any means necessary so they can squander and steal the public funds and help their rich friends stuff their pockets too as they empower each other like a bunch of mobsters.

If trump offered to sign a bill to give all the dreamers citizenship and open the boarders to all comers with the caveat that new open boarder immigrants and citizen dreamers could not vote in any election for 10 years the democrats would not sign it, it was already offered IINM and they were not interested, it's all about power and control/money, they don't give a flying F about us or immigrants, just stuffing their bloated pockets.

At least Trump has the economy humming and don't credit Barry, he did nothing of any value, and the stats of illegal immigrant crime are very incomplete, but any extra crime is too much when it's avoidable, people who jump the fence are breaking the law, we shouldn't have to tolerate any of their crime.

The friends of the greedy power mongers who own certain media outlets have engaged in flat out gas lighting the entire nation, the utter filth and lies are beyond anything in the history of this nation, and the top end of the FBI/DOJ are working hard to protect Hillary and Barry, they may be out of office but the Clintons still wield a lot of influence and likely have dirt on many who were involved in Barrys so called " phony scandals " that attacked the deep republican pockets by weaponising the alphabet agencies, and those dirty hands are still at work.
 
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Trump has not only lied to the public about crimes committed by immigrants that are here illegally, he lies about Muslim and Hispanic citizens here. Coming into the US illegally is a misdemeanor, not a felony, but this is the crime he must be talking about because the ones that are here illegally don't commit crimes at anywhere near the rate of people born here. This is a fact, or in Trumpian speak, "fake News" which means anything that makes him look bad. When you lie about the crimes committed by illegal immigrants you shut down the ability to have a real debate about immigration. To this day he continues to lie about even things that don't matter, like the number of people who turned out for his inauguration. Any idiot can see from the photographic evidence that far fewer people showed up for his inauguration than either of Obama's. But, who cares? why even lie about it? It is because he is and always has been self absorbed and continues to lie in ways that if they were the truth would make him look better to everyone else because he is narcissistic in the most evil of ways. The fact is that since Trump has been in this position of power he has made racist speech more acceptable than it has ever been and people have been emboldened to call the police on people of color just for being in their neighborhood or have done something that rubs these people the wrong way. You see it in the news weekly. Some woman called the cops on a black man for walking in her neighborhood or called the police on a Mexican American for possibly being in this country illegally. Until we can look at all Americans as equals we can never have a real conversation about racism in this country.

The most deplorable thing now is the republican party has been redefined as a Trumpian party and republicans have been recorded as stating that they need to stay in power to keep our law enforcement agencies at bay because they are "after" Trump. This has politicized part of the government against the FBI for the first time in the history because the more time goes by, the more evidence there is that Trump conspired with the Russians to meddle in our election. You now have Trump's lawyers saying even if he was in collusion with the Russians he didn't break any laws. It wasn't that long ago that Trumps lawyers were stating unequivocally that None of Trumps team ever met with Russians during the election and Trump knew nothing about any person that did. Now we know that the lie Trump Jr. stated about meeting with the Russians was dictated by the real Donald himself and Trump knew about the meeting ahead of time and was trying to press the Russians into bringing him more stolen information. Just wait. As the nooses tightens Trump will have a new story about how he committed no crimes.
 
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Hillary colluded with Russians when she paid for that fake dossier, this is a calling card of the democrats, blaming others for what they are doing.


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@ 3:10 you can see Steven Paddock laying dead, it was a self inflicted head shot, I don't think that has been officially stated yet or had it ?

 
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That is hilarious. A partisan republican that writes a book about Russians getting a uranium contract that Clinton had nothing to do with according to the FBI who investigated all this before the 2016 election and goes on Fox news, Trump's only news organization that is trying to literally cover for him by using this book release as news. They even bring up Trump's conspiracy in the video you provide to try to make something that was already old news over three years ago seem like something all of a sudden new is the same as, "don't look at me, look at what the state department did over three years ago." The Clinton's don't benefit from their foundation as the books are open to all news organizations and have been since it was started. It pays out all donations to places like AIDS help to the African continent and to many schools for women in third world countries. It is a total spin of something that had nothing to do with Clinton and yet, we are supposed to go back now and rehash this old garbage, but not take notice of the weekly new information coming out about how Trump has lied time and time again about his campaign's conspiracy to gain illegally stolen stuff from not Hilary, but other DNC officials. It is stupid silly on its face.

This is not even news. It is a publicity stunt to try to distract from the real story coming out about Trump. Next they will be bringing up Whitewater even though that was dismissed in the 90s or the many other detours Star took while investigating Bill Clinton in the 90s finally ending on a $ex scandal that after House republicans voted to impeach, the Senate overwhelmingly wanted no part of it because 80% of Americans had come to the same conclusion that Star was just out to get Bill Clinton for anything. The only thing they had was he lied about this $ex scandal and nothing else period.

Well, unlike the loyal 40% of the country that backs Trump no matter what, I want to know more about his conspiracy during the 2016 election with the Russians and some Republican who wrote a book alleging new stuff from over three years ago so people will not look at Trump today isn't going to change the minds of the other 60% of Americans.
 
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Please, don't stop there. Tell us about your racist victimization as a white man in America. I am very interested to know. Most of the time when someone says this they claim that a black person was given a place at a university when they were not and they said this made them victims of racism. It is rare to see one actually name a particular black man who got picked while they were passed over, but maybe your story is better.
 
Paul you really believe anything that cnn says ? It's just flat out fabricated, they have been telling you that Trump is circling the drain for going on 2 years now, are you not at all concerned about how corrupt the Muller investigation is ? It's going nowhere unless they invent something new or pull a credible witness out their backside and get him/her to compose and even then the whole thing is so very compromised, really all they are doing is dragging this witch hunt out to protect Hillary and Barry by keeping Trump from replacing Jeff Sessions.
 
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Well, unlike the loyal 40% of the country that backs Trump no matter what, I want to know more about his conspiracy during the 2016 election with the Russians and some Republican who wrote a book alleging new stuff from over three years ago so people will not look at Trump today isn't going to change the minds of the other 60% of Americans.
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Is that the supposed 60% who were going to elect Hillary ? :crackup:

Come on man, Trump won and will win again in 2020, just deal with it already.
 
Someone telling lies about you to someone else is not really racism. That could happen in any number of circumstances and just because the lies were told to blacks doesn't make it racism. I have had similar things happen to me in social settings, but there weren't different races involved. That could happen to anyone and be directed at people the same race as you, so to me, that really doesn't qualify. If a black person wishes to hire only blacks that is hardly a huge burden as compared to what whites have done to blacks and are still doing to them even now. I imagine there are plenty of examples of whites only hiring whites. Far more than the other way around.

Now, I can imagine the native Alaskans being pissed at whites because they were harmed so many times in the past by non natives, especially during the gold rush years. That is a very unique situation and I really don't blame the natives because their grandparents and great grandparents were killed or run off of their land. If you stick to the larger towns there you shouldn't run into anything like that there. From what I've read about Alaska there were so many peoples who had lived there for many hundreds of years being killed or run off because someone could gain wealth by doping so.
 
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Yes Chris, they are using the fear of racism to divide people and sway voters.

Where I live I have Chinese neighbors on 1 side and Guatemalans on the other and African Americans in most other homes and we all get along just fine.

When I go to my local Wal-Mart which I do daily I don't see black people or white people, I just see people, that's how it is in my mind, these people around me don't stand out as anything but people and nobody treats me like anything but a person, I hardly ever hear anything about race, it seems we all are very happy to live without any thought of it, but I'm sure it could be different in different places, but here you just don't hear it.

I think the race baiters and liars at cnn are doing damage by fabricating an issues, Trump is not upset about players not standing for our anthem because of the color of their skin, it's a matter of respect for our flag and the men and women, black and white who fought for our freedom and to protect the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for one and all.

I know after WWII when soldiers came home there was a white line and a black line and African American soldiers remarked on camera that there was no black and white on the battlefield, everyone was united, and when soldiers come home now they all stand in 1 line, there are no black/white bathrooms/water fountains, it's a shame our 1st black president was such a dud but we did elect him, the world has changed for the better and race relations are good, people want to get along, it's the power mongers who race bait to drive a wedge between people in order to gain votes, it's disgusting and I wish nobody would fall for it.
 
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Trump is race baiting more than any other president in modern history by making an issue out of everyone's right to protest in this country. That is all the NFL players are doing is protesting the apparent meaninglessness of black men's lives in this country. Now, more than ever. It wouldn't be an issue for any other person in power, but Trump uses it to race bait and you defend him because you are part of his base whom he has said would defend him if he murdered someone. I did vote for Obama, but I was critical of his immigration policy and use of drones to murder people abroad; often innocent bystanders. You won't even criticize Trump for the many lies he has told and is still telling daily. Mueller's investigation is far from being over, even though Trump is trying hard to end it before it reveals all there is to know.
 
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I will say Trump has been a bit rough around the edges in the past, he is transitioning to his position as POTUS yet keeping his down to earth demeanor and a lot of people like that, I think he gets the blame no matter what he says.

What lies, besides if there are any Barry lied every time he spoke, it was ridiculous.

Manafort ? You meant Muller, well he is compromised and there is still no there there as they say, all he is doing is leaning on people around Trump by digging through all the meta data they hold on all of us.

Some of what Muller dug up on one of the people was past the statute of limitations so they got a special extension, and raiding Trumps lawyers office, even under the guise of something else is just plain wrong, this is a witch hunt and I won't believe anything they manufacture at this point, too much dirty dealing has already happened on the Muller side, just look at the Muller team and all the animus, so much has been wrong that I don't see that 40% sitting still regardless of what Muller may invent.
 
The problem is that Mueller doesn't need to invent anything. Trump has fed this fire with his own obsession to tweet about what he thinks and what he has done. Mueller was appointed by the Justice Department to investigate Russia's meddling into our election and to see to what extent Trump had conspired with them to do so. It's not like a democrat would be put into office if Trump were convicted or removed from office. Pence would be next in line to take over. Don't you think it is going too far to blame our Justice Dept. while at the same time saying that Putin is a great leader and hasn't done anything wrong while the evidence is clear that they did meddle in the last election? Trump did just that only a few weeks ago. Now he has said that he does believe that the Russians meddled in our election.
 
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Ha, that generalization is way off, I've been subject to racism several times as a white man in this country.
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It's not the same thing, and I've experienced it too. White people are the minority here and the First Nations people tend to show a certain animosity towards white people, but I can understand why. It's the same way a lot of Scottish people feel about the English but their hardships are much more recent.

People here generally expect that white people are here to make money and nothing else, which is often the case. Getting involved and being a part of the community changes that. Many white people have trouble with the homeless population here, I generally don't because I treat them as people, I can have a laugh with them and try to be kind. Once they realize you're not juts another white guy here to make money and you show some human decency they're mostly willing to accept you into their community. No more racism or animosity. Ok, well a little racism, but in a humorous way! Goes both ways at that point.

Have you been followed around a store by security for no other reason than the colour of your skin? I know plenty of First Nations people that have, and it's not as though they're bums or drunks. They're hard working people with good families.

I don't agree with the whole "you can't be racist to white people" thing, but to dismiss the struggles various other ethnicities face because you've also experienced racism is silly. It's just not the same. At least not in western countries.

I've had plenty of aboriginal people give me shit just for being white but I can understand why they feel that way and I know it's nothing compared to what they deal with on a day to day basis.

I do agree with Trump when it comes to illegal immigration though. Either follow the process or face the consequences. I had to go through the system to be granted to privilege to live and work here. So should everyone else.

Paul, Trump isn't completely to blame for all the race baiting/identity politics crap. The MSN push that as well because it gets views/clicks. They feed off of it. They should share much of the blame. Half the stuff Trump says/does is deliberately intended to cause controversy and keep him in the news. The crazies on the left do it too, because they have some false sense of virtue and feel the need to get offended on other people's behalf. There's a lot of people on the left that are just getting too extreme in their beliefs and it's both pushing more moderate left-wingers away whilst also strengthening the right.

I say all of this as someone that's left wing. I can see both sides of the argument but feel that people on both sides are getting pulled too far into the extremes. Some decency and understanding would go a long way. Both sides have valid concerns. Play devil's advocate sometime, it's good to understand the other side's point of view and why they feel the way they do.

And with that, a YT video. Good song that I've been feeling recently.


Disclaimer: I'm pretty mashed just now and skipped much of the discussion, so just my $0.02 based on what I did read.
 
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