The history of the illuminati

[Hislordship]

I am well aware that most people here believe just about nothing about so called ''conspiracy theory's''...
I however do believe in it but i do not take everything for the truth i research what i have been told in order to find out for myself if it is actually true...

Most of the time a theory ends up being a hoax but sometimes however it ends up being proven fact... like the fact that the bush family has close ties to the binladen family and even did business with them.

Most of the video's and story's you'll find on the internet are based on nothing because non of them offer you any sources or real proof...
this video however not only shows you the proof it also gives you all the sources so that after watching this you can reseach those sources yourself to come to a conclusion.

all i ask of everyone here is to please not post any opinions without having seen this documantairy and/or researched the subjects and sources given in this video.

For some reason the video won't get posted so here is a link

Fixed that for you - Ped

 

[sinner]

What happens at that level is beyond contemplation, but sure you can do all the research and still be running in circles. I have a similar habit to research untill my brain is about to explode and make my own version of the whole story. But after all these years I have come to a conclusion that it's none of my business and I should enjoy the good things in life instead.

 

[Seoul_lasers]

My advice... just my thinking....

 

[Hislordship]

The order of the illuminati was founded on may 1st 1776 in germany
Years later the government found out about this and officially made secret societies ilegal
however most members fled to other countries and founded more of these societies through which they went on with what they were doing.

Research this to find out the truth that the illuminati actually did exist.
wheter or not they still do remains open for debate.

 

[Seoul_lasers]

The order of the illuminati was founded on may 1st 1776 in germany
Years later the government found out about this and officially made secret societies ilegal
however most members fled to other countries and founded more of these societies through which they went on with what they were doing.

Research this to find out the truth that the illuminati actually did exist.
wheter or not they still do remains open for debate.

Not denying that they might have existed, they were linked to the free-masons group in the late 1700s as far as I have heard.
I do think this video is totally OTL..
linking unrelated events and trying to pass it off as fact.

It's full of horse puckies.

 

[Hislordship]

Most things are related by means of finance.. the very same family that financed napoleon financed all major wars since the french revolution
And today they still finance both sides of every war.

Also this family is known to have had close ties to the original illuminati and the occult freemasons that were in the illuminati including napoleon who was a mason.
They however were not part of the illuminati.

This family today is the wealthiest family in the world estimated to have over 600 billion dollars.
They own almost all the central banks in the world and they loan the money at interest to governments... this is why we have debt.. they control the world economy and have always controlled it.

They financed both sides of every major war and then financed the rebuilding of the destroyed nations after the war..
this family is ofcourse the Rothschild family...

 

[zyxwv99]

Until about the 1890s, major banks were usually family-owned. However, no one family was ever a major player for more than a few centuries, including the Rothschilds and the Medicis. Until WWI it was normal for banks to finance both sides of a war, just as the US and other countries often sell arms to both sides of a conflict. The Rothschilds and the Warburgs financed both sides in the Franco-Prussian War, openly and without breaking any rules. Once they made a rule against it, they stopped doing it. Except if some country confiscated their assets, in which case it wasn't them doing it, but some evil dictator who took their stuff.

The biggest "conspiracy" in the history of the US was the Freemasons. It was a way for middle-class people who had few connections to make connections. The Rotary Club does the same thing, along with Lyons, Oddfellows, etc. Masonic lodges played a huge role in the American Revolution because Patriots and Loyalists could argue politics in the lodge without fear of being turned in to the authorities. That's because everything said there was confidential.

 

[Encap]

NWO and illuminati are a joke played upon people by conspiracy cons to make money with I know something you don't know BS.

Interestingly, conspiracy theory fanatics present all the symptoms of religious fanatics. Here are some of them:
1.A conspiracy theorist has "seen the light", so to speak. That is, he has seen the Truth, which the majority of other people haven't.

2.A conspiracy theorist has the absolute, irrefutable, unshakable CONVICTION that he knows the Truth, only the Truth, and nothing but the Truth. There's absolutely no doubt in his mind that what he believes is the Truth.

3.The conspiracy theorist will say things like "there's NO WAY these photos are not faked" and "there's NO WAY this is something else than controlled demolition", etc. He is absolutely sure and certain at all possible levels that he knows the truth.

4.There's absolutely nothing you can say that will convince the conspiracy theorist otherwise. You can refute every single claim he makes to absolute smithereens with hard scientific easy-to-understand facts, and that will not move his conviction even a fraction of an inch. Not even a shadow of a doubt will cross his mind at any point.

5.The doctrine which the conspiracy theorist believes is based on a series of books, web pages and "documentaries" made by some other conspiracy theorists (which are completely akin to prophets), and every single word in these works is considered the absolute Truth by the conspiracy theorist. Every single claim, no matter how small or how ridiculous, is the absolute Truth. Not a single claim is considered dubious or unimportant.

6.The conspiracy theorist has the irresistible urge to spread the Truth to others, the lost lambs who wander in darkness and still don't know the Truth, who haven't seen the light, and who must be converted.

7. Spreading the Truth is in no way limited to the Internet. Like the most vocal religious movements, also conspiracy theorists will organize protest marches and parades, where they will disturb the peace of completely unrelated events, they will get into TV shows to spread their convictions, they will preach to individuals at their workplaces and other places, etc, etc.

8.Trying to discuss critically the views of the conspiracy theorist will always cause a tirade of contempt and arrogant religious mongering. Trying to rationally argue against any of the claims of the conspiracy theorist is a completely futile endeavor. There's just no convincing the conspiracy theorist.

Like all religions, conspiracy theorists also have their big enemies. The Government is the enemy number one. The scientifical community is just an evil organization under the control of the Government, part of the system, and thus cannot be trusted.
Like some religions, also conspiracy theorists will twist and bend science for their own purposes, and quote science and writings of scientists completely out of context, changing the original meaning, to support their claims. When actual scientists show how the "science" of the conspiracy theorists is completely flawed, the conspiracy theorists will discredit the scientists because they are just part of the system.
Basically any scientist who opposes their views is delusional, incompetent and part of the system and thus not to be trusted, while any scientist (or anyone claiming to be a scientist) who agrees with the conspiracy theory is immediately credible and competent, and will be much quoted.

 

[ru124t]

I once convinced someone that red cars go faster than white ones of the same make and model. I told them that red photons go faster than white so therefore a red car will always be a little faster. I told them I read this in a wiki thingie on the internet posted by some doctor of physics so it had to be true. I then heard this same person tell other people I worked with this story several times that same day. When I explained a day later that I had made up this bullshit story, they laughed at me and said they all read it on the internet! OMG the power of suggestion at work! Now send me all your lasers!!!!!!!! LOL

 

[Hislordship]

Like i said i do not believe everything..
I never accept something as truth without solid evidence.

For example 9-11
Some claims were made that some weird energy weapon was used to turn the buildings into dust? this claim ofcourse is riddicules...

However it is known fact that jet fuel cannot melt steel... and it is known fact that the whole buildings were made with a solid steel frame... made to handle multiple impacts...

Also it is known fact that a building cannot collaps like that without it being a controlled demolition

Now i am not saying that ''it was an inside job'' i am saying there is much more that happened that day that the government isn't telling us...

Why is it so hard to consider the possibility that explosives were planted in the building?
If so called ''terrosists'' can hijack that many planes without anyone noticing it then why can't they also have planted bombs?

Fact remains that we aren't being told the complete truth about what happened that day... and again i am not claiming that it was a conspiracy or inside job.. all i am saying is that the official story doesn't add up.

 

[Flaminpyro]

This discussion could continue to go on for years op:

 

[busman2]

Im telling you the tea leaves all point to Elvis, he is really a time traveler that spreads chaos throughout the universe, just pops in and out when it suits him. Yes that really was him that you thought you saw yesterday! Don't believe the hype about DR WHO, time lords really are not that friendly!

PS: No one else's theories count because I Know!:na:

 

[TheDukeAnumber1]

If I may, as a "Structural Engineer" by profession, I have no problem believing that the World Trade Centers collapse could have been caused by the planes impact along with the heat from the fire weakening the steel.

 

[Lotus_Darkrose]

Like i said i do not believe everything..
I never accept something as truth without solid evidence.

For example 9-11
Some claims were made that some weird energy weapon was used to turn the buildings into dust? this claim ofcourse is riddicules...

However it is known fact that jet fuel cannot melt steel... and it is known fact that the whole buildings were made with a solid steel frame... made to handle multiple impacts...

Also it is known fact that a building cannot collaps like that without it being a controlled demolition

Now i am not saying that ''it was an inside job'' i am saying there is much more that happened that day that the government isn't telling us...

Why is it so hard to consider the possibility that explosives were planted in the building?
If so called ''terrosists'' can hijack that many planes without anyone noticing it then why can't they also have planted bombs?

Fact remains that we aren't being told the complete truth about what happened that day... and again i am not claiming that it was a conspiracy or inside job.. all i am saying is that the official story doesn't add up.

Please refrain from polluting the forums with 9-11 conspiracy theories. It is utterly disrespectful to the people who died and the families it affected.

Basically all of these theories are proved to be bullshit and any talk of it needs to stop.

There's a good 7 part video about the conspiracy theorists and debunking the stupid crap they believe, link to part 1 is below.

 

[Encap]

Please refrain from polluting the forums with 9-11 conspiracy theories.

There's a good 7 part video about the conspiracy theorists and debunking the stupid crap they believe, link to part 1 is below.

Hislordship's concern from the Netherlands notwithstanding, conspiracy theories are just a business. A way to make money with imaginings, where everything is possible, if income from same is possible.

Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort. The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors. Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center ever noticing.
You have to ask yourself, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?"

I agree with Lotus Darkrose, LPF is not the place for 9.11 or any other conspiracy theories. There are hundreds of sites and forums already dedicated to them.

This forum is about lasers -- if not a lasers related conspiracy theory then it is of little or no meaning, concern or interest, here.

 

[Shakenawake]

I used to think there were explosives in the towers. now I don't know. there is still lots that does not add up. why have some of the hijackers been found alive later? why did phillp zelikow, a bush administation buddy, get to run the 9/11 commission, and get final say of what went in it? why did he repeatedly deny eyewitness reports of molten steel in the sub-basements, and how did that molten steel get there if the fires only supposedly got hot enough to weaken the steel? why did the FBI confiscate footage that would have showed the plane hitting the pentagon very well and never release anything but those five blurry frames from the entrance gate? why did silverstein insure the tade complex explicitly against acts of terror, then sue for double claiming each plane was a seperate attack, making a ton of money on all those deaths. WTC Owner Larry Silverstein Sues Airlines for Billions Over 9/11 why did they say the air was safe to breathe? why was osama our little CIA buddy when we had them fighting the russians for us, but now he is public enemy number 1? and buried at sea, as is muslim custom? did anyone believe that? lots of muslims live in the desert, I never heard till that day burial at sea was a muslim tradition, that we all of a sudden had to honor rather than gibbeting him in time square if he was truly responsible. sailors and vikings have a tradition of burial at sea, not muslims. then there were the war games, norad's ordered stand down, a lot that I still want the answers too. sorry, but when the courts say it's ok for the news to lie to the american people, and fire employees who refuse to do so, I have a hard time trusting them, feel me? (fox news in this case, though I don't really trust any of them, liberal or conservative, with much more than the local weather which I can personally verify)

either way, I don't think it's nice to say that the conspiracy theorists are crapping on the memory of the dead. even if they/I have been fooled by psuedo-evidence, they probably deep down just want to know the truth, and from their point of view, those who use 9/11 as an excuse to get trigger happy, join the army and go shoot some sand******* are playing into the hands of those who caused the situation. those people who allegedly caused it are making money off of it, and in all likelyness, are laughing at us all. in that sense, isn't killing the wrong people for the crime, and profiting those who purpotrated it dishonoring the memory of the dead?

there is an old latin saying judges should keep in mind, cui bono. who benefitted from 9/11 the most? was it terrorists in caves? was it people who made a killing with defense contracts, PMCs, and then the "rebuilidng" with no-bid contracts? was it the american people, who now live with all the NSA, patriot act, TSA, and for a while, the infamous and seemingly very ineffective terror color alerts? If the terrorists hate us because we are free, and we give up freedoms to fight them, doesn't that mean they have won?

the U.S. government has a long history of fu***ry, never was there a time America was some pure nation of moral highground, that's just what we are taught in elementary school. I mean, all men created equal, oh, except the darkies and women for the first hundred years or so. (I don't mean to offend anyone with the word darkie, I'm not racist)

whether it is the terrorists who have you worried, or the government, one thing I can say for sure. do not let fear dictate your actions. as Muad'Dib teaches us:

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain

just one confused, lost soul's words. peace be with you