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Second time around- 589 DL group buy feeler
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I must say I was very pleased with the divergence of the one i got in the last GB. it's very good, better than I thought it would be. it's a sweet laser for such low power, not gonna lie.
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Build it and they will come.....don't worry, the buyers are here. I am willing to bet that at the time this one closes there will be two or three latecomers wishing they could have gotten in too. There will probably be enough interest for a round three.
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They cost way too much i would maybe bought one but not for the price and its low power cant justify myself to put that much load on a laser yet
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100mW of 589 in a handheld, though. This isn't expensive...
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This is what I've understood the situation to be thus far:
Option 1: buy from direct from DL for $420+shipping and get it shipped right away
Option 2: check the group-buy thread once a day for potentially months in the hopes of saving a whopping 9.5%
If I've misunderstood something, please clarify things in post ONE. Call me lazy, but I don't want to read through 20 pages of forum posts just to find basic data. Especially not for a 9.5% discount.
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Ha, Cy telling it like it is, can't knock it.
To be honest I am starting to think this way as well. With no disrespect whatsoever to Jmillerdoc, I am on the verge of just ordering my own and having it here soon. I appreciate people are busy and it is looking like this feeler isn't even close to being converted to a GB...
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I'm sorry if I'm being insistent but I need to make a decision ASAP and I'd really like to have your input before doing so.
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I'm not going to be part of this GB...I was very fortunate to be included in the last one at the eleventh hour...thank you, Jmillerdoc! I own a 589 CNI pointer and an 80mW handheld which reads at 140...pretty damn good. However, this laser is much brighter, cleaner and a more golden color, in my opinion than the 80mw CNI. I was stunned when I put an 18650 3400 mAw in it. Absolutely breathtaking...it really needs to be seen. I'm in a very warm climate, so the laser was on the warm side when I tested it. It's rated to 50mW and it read as 80. I've no doubt if it was cooler it'd be over 100. I think Ive said the same thing in the first GB...if you're on the fence with this one, I'd suggest you go for it if you can. I hope I've helped a bit. 
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How's things Jm? Things are a bit quiet over here, I know you're busy.
I very nearly pulled the plunger on a 589 and diffraction gratings from DL the other day but couldn't quite bring myself to do it. I know these are going to be gone soon but wasn't sure if this GB was still alive. How close are we from going GB, as it's still a feeler (and a pretty limp one at that?)
I think it would be useful for us to know as if this won't be going ahead I'd like to buy a 589 sooner rather than later. I don't mind eating into my savings as I'd kick myself if I missed the boat on these.
I very nearly pulled the plunger on a 589 and diffraction gratings from DL the other day but couldn't quite bring myself to do it. I know these are going to be gone soon but wasn't sure if this GB was still alive. How close are we from going GB, as it's still a feeler (and a pretty limp one at that?)
I think it would be useful for us to know as if this won't be going ahead I'd like to buy a 589 sooner rather than later. I don't mind eating into my savings as I'd kick myself if I missed the boat on these.
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I might be interested. Im guessing shipping to France will be similar to shipping to the UK? :beer:
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I haven't had much to report really. From the time of the original post I estimated a month before I would be ready to kick off a formal Group buy, possibly sooner if I had overwealming interest early on. No overwealming interest early on but enough to believe this will hit the needed numbers once officiallly in full swing.
I am a little concerned about one particular incident that did not occur during or as a part of my last GB, but may have bearing on a future one I would do. I am necessarily being cryptic at this point and can only discuss this matter via PM right now. So, while another GB is looking favorable in terms of the number of potential participants there may be some information that may deter participation altogether.
If you are seriously considering participation in this GB or even going direct though DL, PM me and I will explain why I may drag my feet on this a little longer.
Cheers,
Jeff
I am a little concerned about one particular incident that did not occur during or as a part of my last GB, but may have bearing on a future one I would do. I am necessarily being cryptic at this point and can only discuss this matter via PM right now. So, while another GB is looking favorable in terms of the number of potential participants there may be some information that may deter participation altogether.
If you are seriously considering participation in this GB or even going direct though DL, PM me and I will explain why I may drag my feet on this a little longer.
Cheers,
Jeff
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Any news? :beer:
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Sorry, was out of town this weekend and just now had a chance to check emails and respond on the thread.
Yes, I have news. Here is the news: I am not going to invest any time or effort into another group buy right now. Some for reasons relating to Dragon Laser but mostly personal. First Dragon Laser. Personally I cannot say anything but great things about the product or service I have received. Adam has been excellent in answering questions, offering solutions and opinions, and taking care of business when it came to the last group buy and in the time intervening. I don't want to say anything here that could detract from that. He and DL worked hard to earn my trust and establish a good reputation and there is nothing that has been done to me to change that.
I did however receive a private message from another LPF member who I believe was acting in good conscience and wanted to share some information he felt I should know before doing another group buy. The bottom line was his dealings with them didn't work out the way he believed they should have and the product received did not meet his standards. Additionally, the solution offered by DL wasn't acceptable to him either.
As the organizer I felt it necessary to secure everyone's interests in a future group buy so I took my time to investigate this and speak with Adam as well about it. I see both sides and don't feel it is my place to judge who is correct. It isn't really my business. What is my business is what I do here, my reputation, and what trust is placed in me by you all who may participate in another group buy I organize.
I can say that should I have chosen to organize another group buy I would have given full disclosure to the concern raised by this member then confidently proceeded with the group buy. Since I will not be doing the group buy it is not my place to give full disclosure and won't be. This member may or may not post something about his experience, otherwise I won't be giving details. Again, not my place to do this.
I will however share the concern that this raised with me that is fair to share because it is a revelation I had after learning of this issue. We all entered the last group buy with certain expectations based on a couple people's reviews or personal experience. The product we bargained for was a Spartan 50mW 589nm laser and had Adam provided 11 units that all did exactly 50mw as advertised, none of us could really have any complaints. We got what was advertised. We didn't all get 50mw 589's though and this is where the problem or concern I have stems from. We all got lasers that on average had an output between 160% and 180% of advertised if my math is correct off the top of my head. Unfortunately any future group buy will now be judged by these standards. I didn't realize how lucky I got on the first one. The chance of having 11 lasers output have such a tight standard of deviation is pretty amazing when you consider the 589nm DPSS hand held.
Imagine the next group buy if we had another 10-12 people order and one or three of them received 52mw peak power units and everyone else had 95mw, 100mw, and 115mw peak power units. Would you want to deal with the fallout potential here? I wouldn't. So, this is one reason I am abstaining for now. If I were to do a future GB it would be agreed upon well in advance what expectations should be had about what you may receive, and if what you received met those parameters there would ne no issues raised. I think some would fold but must would stay in the game with this said up front.
Aside from this, the main reason I have decided not to organize another GB right now is personal. After doing some serious soul searching this last weekend I have come to realize I am spending too much of my already vanishing free time in dissipation. This, while enjoyable and helpful to others is still time I could be spending on other things that have greater value. Things such as building a cardboard clubhouse for my 3 y/o daughter, watching Mickey Mouse on TV with her, or a number of other things I will never get to do if I miss out on them now. I think some of you get the picture. Time for daddy to start better prioritizing his time and let one of the younger members here with all the time in the world organize the next one of these.
I did my first two GB's almost back to back and they went off almost flawlessly. I think I want to end, at least forhe time being, my GB track record with a 100% reputation and stop while I am ahead.
Lastly, I do endorse DL's 589nm Spartan and can only say the product we received on the last GB was worth the money. I personally would do business with them again, and probably will someday down the road. I also stand behind Adam, my experience with him far exceeded my expectations.
I hope that was helpful. I apologize to anyone who was really looking forward to this, hopefully someone will pick up where I left off and carry one forward.
Cheers everyone! Have a good week!
Jmillerdoc
Yes, I have news. Here is the news: I am not going to invest any time or effort into another group buy right now. Some for reasons relating to Dragon Laser but mostly personal. First Dragon Laser. Personally I cannot say anything but great things about the product or service I have received. Adam has been excellent in answering questions, offering solutions and opinions, and taking care of business when it came to the last group buy and in the time intervening. I don't want to say anything here that could detract from that. He and DL worked hard to earn my trust and establish a good reputation and there is nothing that has been done to me to change that.
I did however receive a private message from another LPF member who I believe was acting in good conscience and wanted to share some information he felt I should know before doing another group buy. The bottom line was his dealings with them didn't work out the way he believed they should have and the product received did not meet his standards. Additionally, the solution offered by DL wasn't acceptable to him either.
As the organizer I felt it necessary to secure everyone's interests in a future group buy so I took my time to investigate this and speak with Adam as well about it. I see both sides and don't feel it is my place to judge who is correct. It isn't really my business. What is my business is what I do here, my reputation, and what trust is placed in me by you all who may participate in another group buy I organize.
I can say that should I have chosen to organize another group buy I would have given full disclosure to the concern raised by this member then confidently proceeded with the group buy. Since I will not be doing the group buy it is not my place to give full disclosure and won't be. This member may or may not post something about his experience, otherwise I won't be giving details. Again, not my place to do this.
I will however share the concern that this raised with me that is fair to share because it is a revelation I had after learning of this issue. We all entered the last group buy with certain expectations based on a couple people's reviews or personal experience. The product we bargained for was a Spartan 50mW 589nm laser and had Adam provided 11 units that all did exactly 50mw as advertised, none of us could really have any complaints. We got what was advertised. We didn't all get 50mw 589's though and this is where the problem or concern I have stems from. We all got lasers that on average had an output between 160% and 180% of advertised if my math is correct off the top of my head. Unfortunately any future group buy will now be judged by these standards. I didn't realize how lucky I got on the first one. The chance of having 11 lasers output have such a tight standard of deviation is pretty amazing when you consider the 589nm DPSS hand held.
Imagine the next group buy if we had another 10-12 people order and one or three of them received 52mw peak power units and everyone else had 95mw, 100mw, and 115mw peak power units. Would you want to deal with the fallout potential here? I wouldn't. So, this is one reason I am abstaining for now. If I were to do a future GB it would be agreed upon well in advance what expectations should be had about what you may receive, and if what you received met those parameters there would ne no issues raised. I think some would fold but must would stay in the game with this said up front.
Aside from this, the main reason I have decided not to organize another GB right now is personal. After doing some serious soul searching this last weekend I have come to realize I am spending too much of my already vanishing free time in dissipation. This, while enjoyable and helpful to others is still time I could be spending on other things that have greater value. Things such as building a cardboard clubhouse for my 3 y/o daughter, watching Mickey Mouse on TV with her, or a number of other things I will never get to do if I miss out on them now. I think some of you get the picture. Time for daddy to start better prioritizing his time and let one of the younger members here with all the time in the world organize the next one of these.
I did my first two GB's almost back to back and they went off almost flawlessly. I think I want to end, at least forhe time being, my GB track record with a 100% reputation and stop while I am ahead.
Lastly, I do endorse DL's 589nm Spartan and can only say the product we received on the last GB was worth the money. I personally would do business with them again, and probably will someday down the road. I also stand behind Adam, my experience with him far exceeded my expectations.
I hope that was helpful. I apologize to anyone who was really looking forward to this, hopefully someone will pick up where I left off and carry one forward.
Cheers everyone! Have a good week!
Jmillerdoc
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Amen