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FrozenGate by Avery

Possible First Car

Im getting a headache reading some of this. Thats all i have to say! Get at me alex. Im on mobile now. Which has been fuct for me since the mobile change in january
 
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There is a range, fair, good, very good, excellent... no car that old is going to qualify for very good or excellent. Since it does need some mechanical work off the bat, you're looking at the fair price, and again, I'd start with that, minus required repairs as the starting negotiating price.

Odds are you will never buy another car from this person again, and they will never want to deal with you again, so there is no reason not to start negotiating from a lower price, and you can always concede to a higher price later. Figure out the total price you're willing to pay, including taxes, and registration, and be willing to walk away if it can't be met by the seller. If not, you'll get taken advantage of. In the world of sales, he who cares most, loses.

Exactly.

Figure how much money you need to set aside for oil and fluid changes and filters, repairs, and tires----then there are insurance cost and CA registration costs---it adds up quickly.

Was looking at Craigslist and the car has been on there for 24 days at $4800 and nobody has rushed to take it at that price so there has to be room for a lower offer that is acceptable. Advert says "cash only" ask her if she would take a cashiers check---some people will not as there are bogus cashiers checks and for other reasons also --to be sure it is good you have to wait for it to clear or call the issuing bank to confirm it is good

If you buy it make sure when you pay her you get the fully executed clear title and a bill of sale at the same time you give her the money

SMOG check can't register without it- California Vehicle Code section 24007(b)(2) states that it is the responsibility of the seller to provide a valid smog certificate at the time of delivery of the vehicle to the buyer. HOwever if the vehicle received certification of a passing Smog Check within 90 days of the sale, another Smog Check certificate is not required to transfer ownership. If the seller sells the car without a smog certification and it doesn't pass, the seller is responsible for repairing it to the smog certification standards.

Good luck.
 
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I know you probably have a headache by now, but you should also think about the logistics of getting to the car, getting it to a mechanic, registering it (/getting plates), and getting it added to your insurance policy.

In NJ for example, you can't drive a car unregistered, and uninsured, at all. There is zero wiggle room on this, if you drive a car that is unregistered you'll get towed, and if it's uninsured you're majorly screwed.

Once you buy it, the previous owner will take off the plates, immediately call to take it off their policy, and that's the end as far as they are concerned. (That's also why a bill of sale is very good to have for the seller to show that they're no longer responsible for the car if there are any issues.)

The easiest option for you would be to find a shop somewhere near the seller, ask the seller to drive it over there, and leave it at the mechanic's to get worked on. In the meantime you can deal with insurance, and registration/getting plates. If the seller isn't willing to drop the car off, your only other options are to either first register, and insure the car, then pick it up, and take it to a shop, or have it towed to a shop.

I'm not familiar with CA laws, but in NJ's you'd almost rather be caught driving drunk versus driving without plates, and uninsured.
 
^Thanks IE!

I talked to the insurance company & you are allowed to drive the car back home without having it be insured by you. Once the car is back at your residence it needs to be insured before you drive it back out. At least that's what I was told.

Also the SUV seller said she couldn't go below $4,500. I spent $161 on a pre-buy inspection so im kinda stuck but there are other cars out there with good MPG. Im not sure what to do. We pretty close to having a date set to meet-up & exchange money & papers right now. I said would this weekend work & haven't heard a response.

Her reason for not lowering the price was because she had to drive to the mechanic & she took an online quiz on kbb to see it's value. I even asked if $4,450 would work but no take.

I really want an SUV, but I also need to be realistic before I drop $4,500 on this or if I just move on, suck up the $161 & try to find a sedan.

What do you guys think?

-Alex
 
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I wouldn't risk driving a car without plates or insurance. If you get pulled over, odds are, best case scenario you'll walk away with a pricey ticket. Not worth the risk.

As for the car... I'd pass on this one. You know it's going to need at least $500-$800 in repairs right away, and it's a gas guzzler. The "quiz" takes 10 seconds, means little, and ANY buyer with half a brain will want to have a car examined by a mechanic. If she thinks you're special in that regard, she might have been taking the short bus or is trying to play you.

Seriously, I know you don't think you'll drive much, but once you have a car, you will wan to use it, and gas will start adding up FAST. Grab yourself a sedan or small coupe instead.

Edit: At the very least I'd stand firm on price at $4000, and keep looking in the meantime. It's not like she's your grandma giving you a gift.
 
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I wouldn't risk driving a car without plates or insurance. If you get pulled over, odds are, best case scenario you'll walk away with a pricey ticket. Not worth the risk.

As for the car... I'd pass on this one. You know it's going to need at least $500-$800 in repairs right away, and it's a gas guzzler. The "quiz" takes 10 seconds, means little, and ANY buyer with half a brain will want to have a car examined by a mechanic. If she thinks you're special in that regard, she might have been taking the short bus or is trying to play you.

Seriously, I know you don't think you'll drive much, but once you have a car, you will wan to use it, and gas will start adding up FAST. Grab yourself a sedan or small coupe instead.

Edit: At the very least I'd stand firm on price at $4000, and keep looking in the meantime. It's not like she's your grandma giving you a gift.

Yeah....

I mean taking a $161 loss sucks, along with the $125 473 & it took me half a year to accumulate $4,500 so I would rather take a $161 loss & get a good car then taking the SUV since I already put $161 into it.

Smaller car dealerships have cars inspected right? I can't afford to dish out money to inspect cars every time.

Ugh :(

-Alex
 
Make sure to have a mechanic look at it before you buy a used car.
 
Make sure to have a mechanic look at it before you buy a used car.

The mechanic did check it, I have a post a couple replies above about the full report lol :p

I mean I like the car. Yeah it's a gas hog but I've always wanted an SUV. I'll give it a night & see what happens :eek:

-Alex
 
^Thanks IE!

I talked to the insurance company & you are allowed to drive the car back home without having it be insured by you. Once the car is back at your residence it needs to be insured before you drive it back out. At least that's what I was told.

Also the SUV seller said she couldn't go below $4,500. I spent $161 on a pre-buy inspection so im kinda stuck but there are other cars out there with good MPG. Im not sure what to do. We pretty close to having a date set to meet-up & exchange money & papers right now. I said would this weekend work & haven't heard a response.

Her reason for not lowering the price was because she had to drive to the mechanic & she took an online quiz on kbb to see it's value. I even asked if $4,450 would work but no take.

I really want an SUV, but I also need to be realistic before I drop $4,500 on this or if I just move on, suck up the $161 & try to find a sedan.

What do you guys think?

-Alex

The insurance guy was 100% wrong in the case of someone who does not have an existing auto policy. Get the insurance BEFORE you drive the car away. If you have a current policy, call your agent & add the used vehicle. You have NO coverage until you get coverage. If you wait to get the coverage and have an accident on the way home with the car you pay all the damages & bodily injury out of your own pocket + California motor vehicle law fine and possible revocations or suspension of ability to register in CA is it worth it????

In California financial responsibility (commonly known as insurance) is required on all vehicles operated or parked on California roadways.
You must carry evidence of financial responsibility in your vehicle at all times and it must
be provided as specified below when:
•Requested by law enforcement.
•Renewing vehicle registration.
•The vehicle is involved in a traffic collision.
Financial Responsibility (Insurance) Requirements for Vehicle Registration (FFVR 18)

You can not register a vehicle in CA without proof of insurance.
See Buying or Selling a Vehicle Changing Vehicle Ownership Buying or Selling a Vehicle Changing Vehicle Ownership

You don't want to risk driving a vehilce without registration or insurance ---the penalties are serious as is the liability if in an accident.

If you do not have it registered to you or insurance--- the only way you can do what you are thinking of is if the current owner will allow you to drive it home on their plates and insurance perhaps.
 
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yeah man SUV's are pretty bad a** and sorry I should of read the full thread. I also agree with encap lol
 
Lol.

I found this website that looks pretty neat. The cars are a little old but their prices are pretty sweet!

http://rocklin-ca.auto.com/used-cars-for-sale/less-than-5000-dollars

Especially this car:
http://auto.com/cars/Volvo-S40-2000-YV1VS2556YF570507

EDIT ABOUT CAR!!!
As said by the seller:
All of our vehicles go through a detailed multi-point inspection to insure that we only sell the best. Recent services: timing belt service was performed less than 100 miles ago, serpentine belt replaced, engine mounts replaced, front axle shafts replaced, and brakes pads are like new. Engine oil and filter replaced and transmission service performed. The car is up to date on all recommended services and runs perfectly. Everything in this car works great including all electronics.

Ok Im excited now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :anyone: :anyone:

I think the Volvo is a much better deal. MPG= 21CITY/26HIGHWAY

-Alex
 
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Yeah....
I mean taking a $161 loss sucks, along with the $125 473 & it took me half a year to accumulate $4,500 so I would rather take a $161 loss & get a good car then taking the SUV since I already put $161 into it.

Smaller car dealerships have cars inspected right? I can't afford to dish out money to inspect cars every time.

InfinitusEquitas makes excellent points.

Nobody can make the decision for you but from how it sounds -- at this point for the SUV you need $4500 for the vehicle---figure set aside $1000 for repairs and refreshings including you car check--plus insurance is sky high for drivers your age---so figure $1500----that's $7000 you need. If you don't have that much saved then???

Have another look around and see what you can find from private sellers and from Dealers that will give a 1000 mile/30 day warrantee . Under California law, licensed car dealerships are not generally required to offer warranties with the used automobiles that they sell. However, there are two notable exceptions: California law requires that used car dealers offer warranties if either (1) the dealer is a “buy-here-pay-here” dealership, or (2) the vehicle is a “certified” pre-owned vehicle---see Do Car Dealers Have to Offer Warranties for Used Cars?


Especially this car:
http://auto.com/cars/Volvo-S40-2000-YV1VS2556YF570507

EDIT ABOUT CAR!!!
As said by the seller:
All of our vehicles go through a detailed multi-point inspection to insure that we only sell the best. Recent services: timing belt service was performed less than 100 miles ago, serpentine belt replaced, engine mounts replaced, front axle shafts replaced, and brakes pads are like new. Engine oil and filter replaced and transmission service performed. The car is up to date on all recommended services and runs perfectly. Everything in this car works great including all electronics.

Nice find ---no worries and more affordable overall---go see and test drive it! Safe car too!
 
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InfinitusEquitas makes excellent points.

Nobody can make the decision for you but from how it sounds -- at this point for the SUV you need $4500 for the vehicle---figure set aside $1000 for repairs and refreshings including you car check--plus insurance is sky high for drivers your age---so figure $1500----that's $7000 you need. If you don't have that much saved then???

Have another look around and see what you can find from private sellers and from Dealers that will give a 1000 mile/30 day warrantee . Under California law, licensed car dealerships are not generally required to offer warranties with the used automobiles that they sell. However, there are two notable exceptions: California law requires that used car dealers offer warranties if either (1) the dealer is a “buy-here-pay-here” dealership, or (2) the vehicle is a “certified” pre-owned vehicle---see Do Car Dealers Have to Offer Warranties for Used Cars?




Nice find ---no worries and more affordable overall---go see and test drive it! Safe car too!

Yeah, thank you both for the help! I think I'll pas on the SUV. It shouldn't bother the seller that I decide to back out no? I mean I did make her drive to get it inspected but I much rather at this point by a sedan with better MPG's & know it runs well then an SUV I know needs tons of work done.

Plus as IE said. I'll probably drive a lot more so having a SUV will kill me & I won't have time for lasers :D

I'll call the folks at the dealership, ask about their warranties & if the things listed on their websites are guaranteed to be true. I looked up reviews & Volvo has great user ratings & reliability! Plus....it's got heated seats :san:

-Alex
 
In Washington state if you get stopped by police and don't have proof of insurance they will shoot and kill you on the spot. LOL just kidding, but I wouldn't put it past them, it happened to someone I know about 20 years ago and the fine was $900 way back then, not sure what it is today except that you must not let it happen.

Buy the Volvo, they are some of the best cars in the world, and gas mileage matters more than you think, the price will only go up. I know someone who just recently replaced their van with a Volkswagen Jetta because they were spending over $1000 a month on gas, I think it got about 10 mpg. If you buy that SUV in 3 years you won't be able to give it away.

Alan
 
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In Washington state if you get stopped by police and don't have proof of insurance they will shoot and kill you on the spot. LOL just kidding, but I wouldn't put it past them, it happened to someone I know about 20 years ago and the fine was $900 way back then, not sure what it is today except that you must not let it happen.

Buy the Volvo, they are some of the best cars in the world, and gas mileage matters more than you think, the price will only go up. I know someone who just recently replaced their van with a Volkswagen Jetta because they were spending over $1000 a month on gas, I think it got about 10 mpg. If you buy that SUV in 3 years you won't be able to give it away.

Alan

Thanks Alan!

Yeah, while the SUV is nice the Volvo looks great also! Plus I don't like to spend tons of money. It's pretty much a no-brainer here! Like I said, I'll try to get a test drive done & talk to them about the car.

My mom is a little worried due to it's age but I saw people said this exact model was very reliable! :D

Also!!!

Do I as an *interested buyer* have a right to tell the seller I don't want the SUV anymore since I found a better deal? I shouldn't be comitted to buy simply because I had it inspected & had her waste her time, no?

:(

-Alex
 


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