Lpf noob team!

[Eudaimonium]

@Daguin, (don't wanna quite entire post), no I'm not missing the point, it's all fine, I'm not asking everybody to do exactly what I do. That'd be retarded.

All I'm really trying to say is, either answer the noob or don't. Do not attack him for not doing research or not using search bar, no matter the question. Just click "Back" and somebody else will answer him sooner or later.

 

[Leodahsan]

Is this seriously an issue?

Q: Is 445 blue?
A: Yes, 445nm means the color blue on the visual spectrum, which is measured in nanometers. We're able to really see only between about 390nm and 700nm. Every number in between is a specific visible color. Some colors we see a lot better than others too, for example green of the same power as purple, will appear 10x as bright. See visual spextrum, and perceived brightness on wikipedia.
Q: Oh ok, so like 650 is red?
A: Yes.
Q: and 635?
A: Lighter red/orange.
Q: and 532?
A: Green
Q: and 589
A: yellow
Q: what about 520
A: Just search please.

Is this what you would really do?
What we are trying to achieve:
Q: is 445nm blue?
A: Yes, 445nm is blue. 405nm is violet, 473 sky-blue, and thats all related to the electromagnetic spectrum.
Q: oh, and 532nm?
A: If you can't read the link I gave, you shouldn't be building lasers... just read
Q: oh, and ?????????
(ignores message)

the problem is that people bash those who don't want to search etc... but some people REALLY have difficulties understanding those laser-related-things.

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

Is this what you would really do?
What we are trying to achieve:
Q: is 445nm blue?
A: Yes, 445nm is blue. 405nm is violet, 473 sky-blue, and thats all related to the electromagnetic spectrum.
Q: oh, and 532nm?
A: If you can't read the link I gave, you shouldn't be building lasers... just read
Q: oh, and ?????????
(ignores message)

the problem is that people bash those who don't want to search etc... but some people REALLY have difficulties understanding those laser-related-things.

As a prelude to that conversation I already gave out links to a number of stickies. I think I was fairly patient in that scenario.

At the end of the day not everyone is cut out to understand everything. For those people I suggest very strongly that they just get a 5mW from optotronics, or LG, and call it a day.

 

[Kartracer00]

Great idea, let me know if you need a hand.




:wtf:When on earth did that happen??? Its pointless at the bottom where people and especially the Noobs won't see it...:tinfoil:I vote to put it back up top!! :beer:

Since the new logo >.<

 

[EpicHam]

I got a feeling that most of the people that asks stupid questions aren't really dumb.... or lazy.

I mean.. Google is just a few buttons away..
Most of them are just anti-social rejects that is trying to get some human interaction into their life.

As if PMing someone and then waiting a day for the answer takes less effort than just googling it yourselves.

 

[Kartracer00]

OK something else bugging me,

Why on earth, is "spoon feeding" considered bad? Seriously?

First, a lot of people have been using the term so much that at this point, it's completely interchangeable with "giving straight answers".

I was spoon feeding noobs, I am spoon feeding them, and I will continue to do so. If anybody would like to step up and explain to me what exactly is wrong in the concept of "Answering a damned question" I would very much like to hear it!

Isn't a "tutorial" the exact same thing? Spoon feeding en masse? But that's OK, and answering a question is not? Wether the question was answered before or not is completely irrelevant.

And PLEASE, don't tell me that it results in a member continually asking questions and never doing research. Because that's total BS. If a member doesn't want to do any research, he won't do it no matter what answer you give him.

If, in other case, he just has troubles navigating the website and getting the hang of things, "spoon feeding" [henceforth typed: Answering] is a way to get a new member over the beginner's troubles and induce more interest into knowledge, which he will seek out sooner or later.

EDIT -

Oh and one more thing. Posting a "Noob alert" image as a reply to somebody's question? Could you take a step back and try to see if from the asker's perspective? Because if I were a noob and a reply like that came up, I'd conclude I'm being mocked for trying to learn something. It looks offensive and out of place. There's no need to post any graphics in the thread. There's no need to form a "team".

Is that person asking a question? Answer it.

Why formalities?

On the other hand, if anybody has a cute graphic to put in somebody's signature that claims the wearer of that banner is willign to answer all noob questions, it'd be great. I have a few ideas myself. Let's put up a contest?

#NewFoundRespect

 

[EpicHam]

#NewFoundRespect

Give a man a fish ,you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, you feed him for life.

What that old Chinese saying doesn't say is , he'll also stop coming back day after day after day asking for handouts.

 

[grainde]

Interesting, Ive had a few noobs with zero posts PMing me already for advice. They stated that they were concerned about posting in the forums, because they were scared of the repercussions...

Maybe we should tone it down a bit. Im happy to help, but when we start threads specifically designed (well in their eyes anyway) to trash and discourage noobs from posting, I think that should be considered a step backwards.

I think the best policy, and it has been mentioned numerous times, is simply to ignore the questions you deem to be silly, pointless, or not well enough researched. I started this a while back. I used to jump on every noob thread and try to help out until I saw the same questions poping up time after time. Yes it was frustrating, but instead of berating them all I just moved to other threads where people had shown some initiative and had tried to help themselves.

Please remember you wont be able to reach everyone. I have done a fair bit of lecturing, workshops and tutorials at Uni and I know not everyone sees things the way you do. If you explain it to them some will understand immediately, but others will require a different approach. Do remember however, that is no reflection on them or their intelligence!

My 2 cents, as some of you say :beer:

 

[EpicHam]

Interesting, Ive had a few noobs with zero posts PMing me already for advice. They stated that they were concerned about posting in the forums, because they were scared of the repercussions...

Maybe we should tone it down a bit. Im happy to help, but when we start threads specifically designed (well in their eyes anyway) to trash and discourage noobs from posting, I think that should be considered a step backwards.

I think the best policy, and it has been mentioned numerous times, is simply to ignore the questions you deem to be silly, pointless, or not well enough researched. I started this a while back. I used to jump on every noob thread and try to help out until I saw the same questions poping up time after time. Yes it was frustrating, but instead of berating them all I just moved to other threads where people had shown some initiative and had tried to help themselves.

Please remember you wont be able to reach everyone. I have done a fair bit of lecturing and workshops at Uni and I know not everyone sees things the way you do. If you explain it to them some will understand immediately, but others will require a different approach. Do remember however, that is no reflection on them or their intelligence!

My 2 cents, as some of you say :beer:

Politically correct Grainde.

 

[Fiddy]

my suggestion is your call it the derp squad

 

[Laik]

I have had shift in thought reading all these posts. When a new member posts a question, answer it nicely or don't answer it at all.
That's all i have to say, we don't want to scare noobs away. Do you think lasersbee, things, flaminpyro, lazeerer, etc were all full of knowledge when they joined this forum? They were noobs too.

 

[EpicHam]

I have had shift in thought reading all these posts. When a new member posts a question, answer it nicely or don't answer it at all.
That's all i have to say, we don't want to scare noobs away. Do you think lasersbee, things, flaminpyro, lazeerer, etc were all full of knowledge when they joined this forum? They were noobs too.

People who try to feed themselves first before asking to be fed.
When we answer them.
Don't give them the answer straight away.
Point them to the source.

 

[Eudaimonium]

People who try to feed themselves first before asking to be fed.
When we answer them.
Don't give them the answer straight away.
Point them to the source.

Respectfully disagreed.

DO give them the answer straight away - they are more likely to get fond of the community and the forum and be inclined to contribute to it, instead of being stonewalled by "We know but won't tell you, instead go read it where we've read it".

That's my opinion. Giving a straight answer, IMHO, carries more benefits than pointing them at the source, simply for the virtue of them keeping the initial interest in the hobby much longer, and hence finding the way around the forums much easier.

 

[EpicHam]

Respectfully disagreed.

DO give them the answer straight away - they are more likely to get fond of the community and the forum and be inclined to contribute to it, instead of being stonewalled by "We know but won't tell you, instead go read it where we've read it".

That's my opinion. Giving a straight answer, IMHO, carries more benefits than pointing them at the source, simply for the virtue of them keeping the initial interest in the hobby much longer, and hence finding the way around the forums much easier.

So basically you are trading their ability to feed themselves for fondness of the community.
I don't think an attitude as expecting to be fed answers would be very beneficial to his time in the hobby.

 

[Eudaimonium]

So basically you are trading their ability to feed themselves for fondness of the community.
I don't think an attitude as expecting to be fed answers would be very beneficial to his time in the hobby.

I'm not trading anything at all. I've written in several posts above (or maybe previous page, don't remember exactly) that, if you think that people will never develop the skills to find answers themselves if you answer them, you are wrong in my opinion.

You are simply helping them get on their feet faster. Nobody is trading any abilities here.

 

[EpicHam]

I'm not trading anything at all. I've written in several posts above (or maybe previous page, don't remember exactly) that, if you think that people will never develop the skills to find answers themselves if you answer them, you are wrong in my opinion.

You are simply helping them get on their feet faster. Nobody is trading any abilities here.

If you say so