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Greetings.
I do not reside in the US, nor do I have US citizenship. However, I would like to pose a suggestion: The core of a pointer, any pointer (except hene, but the power is negligible) is the diode chip. As LSRFAQ previously stated (in the good morning America thread) future laser diodes will be SMD, or even COB. I envision a structure built around the diode, that will kill it if harvesting is attempted. In excange for a license however, a unieque tool can be made available, which can remove the protection (Akin to removing the alarm module in a clothing store after you bought the item). That way, laser diodes can be traced (by the marking on the removed protection) to the seller. I have a few ideas about how this can be implemented. Does this make sense to you people? On another note, changing the opinions of the manufacturers (in my opinion) is nigh on impossible. We (as hobbyists) make up a minority. Coupled with the fact that we use the products in ways which they where never intended to be used. Couple that with the dangers that come with using the diodes in this way. We could cost the manufacturers a lot of money. In my opinion, that alone will gear the manufacturers against us. If that happens, gentlemen, we are finished. Large companies like Nichia and Sony will crush us out of existence. As for me, my interest in lasers lies in the tabletop, gas (and ss) versions, rather than handheld units. Because of my location, any changes to the regulations will take a while to filter down to my neck of the woods. However, I understand the previous comments about laser pointers providing "entry level" for potentially more serious engineers. Just doing my best to chip in.

Kind Regards,
Ivan Kozlov.
 
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JaiNobeZ said:
What does "fringed" mean? Do you mean infringed?

Nobody wants their fun to be restricted or limitted, and many won't want theirs controlled. But imagine the government attempting to use our laser expertise to their benefit... how would they do it? Probably by creating a system where companies can give us new soon-to-be commercially-used diodes and we can test them. Personally, i think that sounds awsome.
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Haha good catch on my spelling. While your idea does sound awesome, it will never happen. Governments don't control diodes they control how we use them.
 
Marked One said:
Greetings.
I do not reside in the US, nor do I have US citizenship. However, I would like to pose a suggestion: The core of a pointer, any pointer (except hene, but the power is negligible) is the diode chip. As LSRFAQ previously stated (in the good morning America thread) future laser diodes will be SMD, or even COB. I envision a structure built around the diode, that will kill it if harvesting is attempted. In excange for a license however, a unieque tool can be made available, which can remove the protection (Akin to removing the alarm module in a clothing store after you bought the item). That way, laser diodes can be traced (by the marking on the removed protection) to the seller. I have a few ideas about how this can be implemented. Does this make sense to you people? On another note, changing the opinions of the manufacturers (in my opinion) is nigh on impossible. We (as hobbyists) make up a minority. Coupled with the fact that we use the products in ways which they where never intended to be used. Couple that with the dangers that come with using the diodes in this way. We could cost the manufacturers a lot of money. In my opinion, that alone will gear the manufacturers against us. If that happens, gentlemen, we are finished. Large companies like Nichia and Sony will crush us out of existence. As for me, my interest in lasers lies in the tabletop, gas (and ss) versions, rather than handheld units. Because of my location, any changes to the regulations will take a while to filter down to my neck of the woods. However, I understand the previous comments about laser pointers providing "entry level" for potentially more serious engineers. Just doing my best to chip in.

Kind Regards,
Ivan Kozlov.
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Interesting ideas for sure.. it's fairly well guaranteed that laser diodes will get smaller and quite possibly harder for the hobbyist to use. Licensing is a good idea if implemented properly, for sure.. I'm intrigued by your idea of a hardware "key".

My own interest in lasers is also geared toward the table-top variety, but I've gleaned a lot of knowledge about laser diodes and lasers in general through research conducted in part by the pointer community. There are folks who are only interested in portables, and so their research is to that end. So even though my own interest is in lab/show lasers, I find myself forced to give acknowledgement to the people whose experiences have often helped me learn and understand.
 
I still dont think licensing is the way to go. I don't understand why people want more laws. It would turn many away and kill the hobby. So would trying to blow up improperly harvest diodes. Not to mention it would be a pain in the ass for manufacturers.

I am not for more laws. End of story. Free country, it's supposed to be at least.
 
^It's not a free country, and never has been. Therefore, because there are idiots who do very stupid things with portable lasers, there will be more laws. It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when". What this thread is intended for is the discussion of what we as a hobbyist community can do to try to ensure that any future legislation takes preserving our existence into account
 
I said supposed to, not was.

There are idiots because society tells them it's ok.
 
No. There are idiots because society protects them from themselves now and they live long enough to reproduce. :p
 
qumefox said:
No. There are idiots because society protects them from themselves now and they live long enough to reproduce. :p
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^^^Couldn't agree more. I've been around and one thing is for sure, stupid people are still breeding.

EF. I'd like offer up any help I can. Unfortunately, I'm not a scientist, engineer, lawyer, or politician. (thank God). But one thing I do have is time, so if I'd like to help any any capacity I can.
 
chipdouglas said:
Haha good catch on my spelling. While your idea does sound awesome, it will never happen. Governments don't control diodes they control how we use them.
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Was just an idea, i never expected it to happen. It's a fantasy, i s'pose...
but at the same time, the principle is there. We are a scientific bunch with the potential to do great things.

Not sure how well the eugenics stuff would go down with the politicians, but, yeah... i'm with you guys on that too. Survival of the fittest is a lie - it should be "mass production of the most reproducing".

And yeah, this student will offer anything in his power to help.
 
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LSRFAQ said:
Second, if we were to require registering, it would become a pain in the ass to register for those people who make lots of them. I can't imagine Jay having to register his.

Last, If we did register, the government would no doubt charge a fine for registering and give us lots of paperwork every time we got another one. When we are talking about lasers in greater quantities, again using Jay as an example, the fines would be HUGE.
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Which Jay? Me?

Just for the record, I don't sell complete lasers. Not even laser diodes...

Basically flashlights. The buyer must get their own laser diode, and install it, to build a laser... :)

Or are you talking about people who have built their own lasers to get them registered? Boy that would be hard to monitor...
 
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I think he might be referring to your "Many DIY red, blu-ray, and green builds... (now 445!)"
 
yeah jay, steve was referring to you. but in the context of what a hassle it would be if we actually had to register each laser we owned, and used you as an example because of all the lasers you own.

michael.
 
^Absolutely it would. Personally I think that licensing a person would be easier and allow more freedom than registering each laser the person owns. The licensing process could be as simple as a test on laser safety and basic (and I mean basic) laser knowledge.

I know that many people would prefer to see things stay the way they are now.. myself included.. but I feel that harsher legislation is inevitable based on the fact that never before in history has it been easier or cheaper to get dangerously powerful handheld lasers. Sooner or later the problem caused by those who are irresponsible in their use of lasers will prompt government action.
 
^^^^ this reminds me of how easy it is to buy guns in ca, well other than the back ground check... but in California we just have to take a 20 question test. and you are given a free hand book to study with all the answers. it's all common knowledge stuff in there.

michael.
 
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