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they are toys.....hence why we strip them and put laser components in them. almost every laser we have today started out as something else and was modified to be what we like; C6, 501b, C8, etc.......
i dont think the second one is a plastic toy.....it takes 3x AA so it is decently large. watch the video on the page
EDIT: i dont like the design at all but some people will love it
The first one will be too small I think for anything powerful. Not enough space for module+driver+decent battery