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Sloany215

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I can't imagine they're reselling the Sanwu Striker - the quality of the machining on the pictures on CoolLaserPointer's site looks pretty rough compared to Sanwu's work. Site does look suspiciously similar to that of BurningLaserPointer.com, an equally marked up questionable laser-peddler
The quality of the machine work is very good.
I have seen this same laser sold on some other places, unfortunately I saw them to late.
 



Sloany215

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Thanks guys for all your input.
Ken
Well guys, based on my recent experience with "Cool Laser Pointers", I would say add this seller to the list of not to buy from ! It`s been 5 days and numerous e-mails and many phone calls, only to hear a voice mail recording saying, " this person is not here ". Oh well ! I`ll say this about the B990 laser I wound up with. It`s a war club as far as the weight of it goes. You could drive fence posts with it !! It is very well made and finished. Stainless would not have been my first choice for this laser, at least not this heavy on the head end where the so called heat dissipation is to take place through the machined ring sections. I can see how burning up the internal works from over heating can be an issue. This is the exact same laser body / host, I have seen on at least 5 other sites, selling by different names. The Striker sold by Sanwu is identical to the B990 I bought from Cool Laser, except that Sanwu engraves the brass band between the handle sections on the grip sections, and they also use quality components on the internal workings. I imagine this laser body is made by a large company, and sold to anyone who wants to put their laser components in it to sell to the public. I am going to give it to a close family friend who owns a modern machine shop that does mostly government contract work, and have him make one out of acft aluminum, and one out of titanium, ( with no laser components ), they will have a much better cooling section that will work 100% better at dissipating any internal heat that will be generated. He will also custom make the power switch.
I hope this info will be helpful so no one gets scammed like I did.
Cheers
Ken
 

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Bear in mind titanium has very poor thermal conductivity, and is astonishingly expensive and difficult to machine compared to aluminium! Either way, please do document this on the LPF as I'd be interested to see what comes out of this!
 

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HIPACKING
2595 Mountain Industrial Blvd STE 2
Tucker GA 30084
Yep, apparently they rented a warehouse slip in an industrial park where each large building is sub divided into many little warehouse strips, usually with a small office up front and a long thin warehouse behind, I used to work in a manufacturing business not far from there.

Anyway it seems they are shipping from the States, I don't see how it could be legal unless each unit had an on indicator light, safety dongle, aperture shutter, delayed start, and keyed switch and then there may be more but those don't even have that much. I wonder what the penalty is for violating the FDA law ? Also they could get sued if someone gets injured........maybe they have a friend at that 1st location in the Royal Atlanta park as a decoy, probably have a lookout/accomplice there who will call then if visited by FDA from their Orwellian cell phone, LOL Idiots. If you lived nearby you could likely get whatever they had for a visit and a few words, I can't believe they use their return address and not a PO box unless that return address is fake as well, could be another friend who will act as lookout, really why rent a building for a garage sized business ? Unless it's some kind of co-op where many entrepreneurs are working out of 1 rented warehouse slip.......so who ever has the lease may not know, who knows, but I know they will get caught sooner or later and I sure as hell wouldn't do it, I am curious what the penalty is besides the added charges for subterfuge if that's the case.

Actually the name " HI PACKING " sounds like a drop shipping service, maybe some fool is drop shipping for them and a few dozen other small business not knowing or willing to risk it. That would explain having a small inventory and not being able to deal with your issue readily.

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Odd, this says window treatments.........

Maybe some lady is running a window treatment company and her son is using moms business addy to hustle Chinese pointers ? I don't know it's just a guess.

https://www.superpages.com/bp/tucker-ga/hipacking-inc-L2572028794.htm

----EDIT #2 ----

Here's another phone number > https://www.yellowpages.com/tucker-ga/mip/hipacking-inc-536418359
 
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Sloany215

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Bear in mind titanium has very poor thermal conductivity, and is astonishingly expensive and difficult to machine compared to aluminium! Either way, please do document this on the LPF as I'd be interested to see what comes out of this!
Thanks for the reply. My friend has a extensive supply of various types of titanium. I have designed the external heat sync rings to be much narrower then they are now, thereby creating a larger surface area to dissipate any heat. I am surprised that more makers do not do this, create more surface area. I am also surprised that someone has not used a mini / micro fan to cool the internals. I have a few camping items that work excellent for heating things up made from titanium.
 

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Yep, apparently they rented a warehouse slip in an industrial park where each large building is sub divided into many little warehouse strips, usually with a small office up front and a long thin warehouse behind, I used to work in a manufacturing business not far from there.

Anyway it seems they are shipping from the States, I don't see how it could be legal unless each unit had an on indicator light, safety dongle, aperture shutter, delayed start, and keyed switch and then there may be more but those don't even have that much. I wonder what the penalty is for violating the FDA law ? Also they could get sued if someone gets injured........maybe they have a friend at that 1st location in the Royal Atlanta park as a decoy, probably have a lookout/accomplice there who will call then if visited by FDA from their Orwellian cell phone, LOL Idiots. If you lived nearby you could likely get whatever they had for a visit and a few words, I can't believe they use their return address and not a PO box unless that return address is fake as well, could be another friend who will act as lookout, really why rent a building for a garage sized business ? Unless it's some kind of co-op where many entrepreneurs are working out of 1 rented warehouse slip.......so who ever has the lease may not know, who knows, but I know they will get caught sooner or later and I sure as hell wouldn't do it, I am curious what the penalty is besides the added charges for subterfuge if that's the case.

Actually the name " HI PACKING " sounds like a drop shipping service, maybe some fool is drop shipping for them and a few dozen other small business not knowing or willing to risk it. That would explain having a small inventory and not being able to deal with your issue readily.

---edit---
Odd, this says window treatments.........

Maybe some lady is running a window treatment company and her son is using moms business addy to hustle Chinese pointers ? I don't know it's just a guess.

https://www.superpages.com/bp/tucker-ga/hipacking-inc-L2572028794.htm

----EDIT #2 ----

Here's another phone number > https://www.yellowpages.com/tucker-ga/mip/hipacking-inc-536418359
You are probably right. All they need now is take out food, LOL.
Thanks.
 

ben859

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Hello folks!

A lot of people have been asking for this, and I thought it would help a lot of new members, so I decided to write this guide.
It is by no means complete, and this should be considered a community effort.
So if you have any more information, or reviews you'd like me to link, please do comment. 🍺

Let's begin with the baddies. If you want to hear about good companies, I suggest you skip this section. :D
IMPORTANT!
Do not buy from any of the following companies.
If you want to see good companies, skip this section.

The following companies will send you defective lasers, refuse to accept returns when they break, vastly overestimate their power, steal your money, and/or kill your dog.


LaserPointerPro
SITE: Laser Pointers - Green, Red, Blue Lasers at Laserpointerpro.com
This company is guilty of... a lot of things.

See this?
This is at maximum, a 2W laser, worth $100 or so. Yet they set its initial price at a ludicrous $7999, "SAVE 93%!", overprice it by 500%, and then claim it's 10 watts. A 10W 445nm diode does not even exist as of July 2016.
So this company is a clear scam.
They also put out some pretty ridiculous videos.

World's Coolest Lasers
SITE: The World's Coolest Lasers
This company is a known scam.

See this?
This is a 301 laser. It goes for $8 on eBay.
This guy wants to sell it to you for $40. Scam!
He also used a forum member's images, without his permission, and claimed that they were of his own product.
When I contacted him, he admitted to using for his products images he found on Google.
Here's a thread about this scam:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f41/laser-opinions-97899.html

WarnLaser, Insanity Laser, LazerPoint, LuckLaser, HTPOW, Tacticult
SITE: laserpointer 500mw|Ir Laser|Green Laser|High power Lasers pointer: WarnLaser.com
SITE: https://insanitylaser.com/xpro
SITE: Green Lasers
SITE: High power laser pointer store, LuckLaser focus on laser pointers.
SITE: http://www.htpow.com/
SITE: https://tacticult.com/
SITE: http://widelasers.com/
These sites are all selling LaserPointerPro type junk. DO NOT BUY FROM THEM!

LaserGlow
LaserGlow used to be a great company (a CNI reseller), but their prices have slowly risen over the years.
Now they are completely unreasonable, and lie about their lasers ($1100 for 1.2W 445nm "most powerful laser in the world"? I don't think so.)
They have stopped shipping >5mW lasers to the US, but international users beware. Better prices can be found almost anywhere!

Wicked Lasers
Wicked Lasers is old news now, but I thought I'd add them too.
Products are overpriced and they lie A LOT. I've also a lot of horror stories from WL customers, including WL batteries exploding.
The Arctic IS NOT, NEVER WAS, AND NEVER WILL BE the world's most powerful handheld laser.
:)




Now, on to the companies that are worth your time.

GOOD COMPANIES

Sanwu Lasers

ADVANTAGES: Great host quality, lots of options, high power available
DISADVANTAGES: Some lasers won't fit protected batteries
BEST PRICES ON: High-power lasers, especially 405nm
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 2-3 weeks with fixed shipping, <1 week with express


SITE: https://www.sanwulasers.org/

Sanwu is a great laser company, owned by a member of this very forum (Podo.) It's one of the first companies I recommend to new members who want high-powered lasers.
They have very nice hosts, and lots of options. They even have multi-mode drivers with code locks!
I've also heard good things about Podo's customer service.
In general, I would say that Sanwu is the single best company for high-powered lasers. Their prices are reasonable and their products are top-notch.
Here's an example (the Spiker series):

And a few reviews:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/thanks-podo-sanwu-challenger-96148.html
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/sanwu-pocket-445nm-laser-500mw-g7-lens-review-95848.html
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/sanwu-silver-series-3w-laser-review-w-3x-97337.html




JetLasers

ADVANTAGES: Best host quality available, readily available beam expander
DISADVANTAGES: High prices
BEST PRICES ON: 473nm
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 2-3 weeks


SITE: JETLASERS.ORG

In terms of quality, JetLasers can't be beat. They are renowned on this forum for their beautiful PL-E Pro host:

I've heard reports that they have practically unlimited duty cycle!
They also have the ability to add a code switch (or a key switch) to their lasers, which is nice.
A few reviews:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/new-big-boy-toy-jetlasers-pl-e-pro-300mw-532nm-review-94723.html
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/jetlasers-pl-e-pro-445nm-2w-review-95008.html
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/review-jetlasers-custom-1w-532nm-handheld-new-host-design-93257.html




DragonLasers

ADVANTAGES: Good host quality, CNI products, readily available beam expander
DISADVANTAGES: High prices, occasionally sends underspec lasers
BEST PRICES ON: 589nm
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 4 days!


SITE: Buy laser and Optics Online :: Dragon Lasers

DragonLasers is a reseller of CNI lasers (CNI no longer ships to the US.)
DragonLasers are known around here for being the main trustworthy seller of yellow DPSS lasers.
I would say that my DragonLasers Spartan 589nm is probably the single best laser that I have in my collection. :D

Here is an example of one of their products (the Spartan series)

And a few reviews!
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/dragonlasers-spartan-50mw-589nm-91535.html
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/s-been-almost-year-time-my-dl-589-spartan-review-96846.html
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/dragonlasers-spartan-200mw-532nm-90mw-637nm-review-91873.html




Optotronics

ADVANTAGES: Excellent customer service, high quality, US-based
DISADVANTAGES: Very high prices
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 2 days!!


SITE: http://www.optotronics.com/

Optotronics is a US-based company, and from what I've heard, have some of the highest-quality lasers available anywhere.
They also have excellent customer service - I have heard reports that the owner will even talk on the phone!




XPL
We strongly recommend that you avoid this company for the time being. There has been a severe drop in quality as of late.

SITE: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/1722148

XPL has been a relatively controversial company recently. I brought it to light a few months ago after purchasing 2 lasers from them.
The owner, Peng, is extremely fast with customer service, and offers a 15% discount to LPF members IF you contact him before purchasing and inform him you're an LPF member.
The best thing about this company, in my opinion, is the extremely high-power 532nm lasers. It's the only company I've ever seen with a 1.5W or 2W 532 in a handheld.
The company also offers beam-combining RG:Y and RB:M lasers which are unavailable anywhere else.
However, the construction of some of the lasers is not the best. My 635nm 600mW had a shaking lens (which, mind you, was easily corrected with thread tape.)
Review:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/video-review-500mw-532nm-600mw-635nm-lasers-xpl-97453.html



O-Like

ADVANTAGES: Great prices on entry-level lasers
DISADVANTAGES: Quality isn't the best
BEST PRICES ON: Entry-level lasers
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 2-3 weeks


SITE: Welcome to O-like,the source of good quality laser products at unbeatable price and perfect service !

I'd say O-like is the best substitute for the typical Chinese/eBay type lasers.
They're slightly more expensive but their quality is much greater than your usual eBay laser.
If you want a starter laser, here's your place. :)
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 2-3 weeks


Gearbest

ADVANTAGES: Best prices on starter lasers
DISADVANTAGES: Poor quality, slow shipping
BEST PRICES ON: Starter lasers
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 4-5 weeks


SITE: GearBest: Online Shopping - Best Gear at Best Prices

Gearbest sells the standard eBay lasers (the ones sold by LaserPointerPro and the like) at non-inflated prices.
A nice place to get a starter laser. My two Gearbest 532s are still up and running after 2 years!
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 4-5 weeks


Lazerer

ADVANTAGES: Good prices on entry-level lasers
DISADVANTAGES: Slow shipping, quality could be better
BEST PRICES ON: Entry-level lasers
MEDIAN SHIPPING TIME: 4-5 weeks


SITE: http://lazerer.com/

Lazerer sells fairly generic lasers, but not at inflated prices like those of LaserPointerPro.
Another good choice for a starting laser. :)
Review:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/lazerer-638nm-200mw-single-mode-laser-pointer-review-97517.html



ATTENTION!
Please post your shipping times (entire time, from purchase to arrival) if you've bought from any of the companies listed.
I want to create a reliable estimate for the shipping time of each company. Thanks!






Well, that's about it for now. More companies will be added later.

Again, if you've got any reviews for me to use, or any information to add, please post a comment!


Edit: stickied, yay
I bought a 200mw green lazer from Burninglazerpointers.com. Is this a good company? thanks
 

paul1598419

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I seriously doubt it. I have not heard of them before now, but that is common. It is easier to list the companies that won't rip you off than to list all of the ones that will. Most of the Chinese lasers are all over priced IMO, but if you can't build your own....what are you gonna do?
 
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Well guys, based on my recent experience with "Cool Laser Pointers", I would say add this seller to the list of not to buy from ! Its been 5 days and numerous e-mails and many phone calls, only to hear a voice mail recording saying, " this person is not here ". Oh well ! Ill say this about the B990 laser I wound up with. It`s a war club as far as the weight of it goes. You could drive fence posts with it !! It is very well made and finished. Stainless would not have been my first choice for this laser, at least not this heavy on the head end where the so called heat dissipation is to take place through the machined ring sections. I can see how burning up the internal works from over heating can be an issue. This is the exact same laser body / host, I have seen on at least 5 other sites, selling by different names. The Striker sold by Sanwu is identical to the B990 I bought from Cool Laser, except that Sanwu engraves the brass band between the handle sections on the grip sections, and they also use quality components on the internal workings. I imagine this laser body is made by a large company, and sold to anyone who wants to put their laser components in it to sell to the public. I am going to give it to a close family friend who owns a modern machine shop that does mostly government contract work, and have him make one out of acft aluminum, and one out of titanium, ( with no laser components ), they will have a much better cooling section that will work 100% better at dissipating any internal heat that will be generated. He will also custom make the power switch.
I hope this info will be helpful so no one gets scammed like I did.
Cheers
Ken
If you know someone with a machine shop that can work with titanium they must own q multi million dollar machine shop because there are very few even profession shops that have the required machinery to mill solid titanium as it's very hard to work with
 

paul666

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Alteady bought 2 fromlaser[scam]pro
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

one came scratched no batteries no charger came in a jiffy bag not wrapped v well, still waiting for other

sending both back

they dont even answer/reply to e-mails, i asked them to cancel both but they still sending the other ......
lucky i only spent £30 ish
jihongyun is where the money went
 

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If you paid with a credit card or PP you might be able to make a case with them to get your money back. Just sayin' as I doubt LPpro will give it up willingly.
 

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Hey guys, new here... seems like a cool site! What's up?

So I have a question, have you seen this laser? https://goo.gl/ppbZiN

Is it a piece of junk too?

If so you can add this company to your list (even though they have more than lasers)

I am looking for a green or purple strong laser pointer myself. I tried this website (Lazerer) but I think it's down. Bummer...


Oh yeah, does the link to the laser that I posted use the 18650 battery? Is that what's making them more powerful? I have experience with those batteries (vape).

Thanks peps. 👍👊
 
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Hey guys, new here... seems like a cool site! What's up?

So I have a question, have you seen this laser? https://goo.gl/ppbZiN

Is it a piece of junk too?

If so you can add this company to your list (even though they have more than lasers)

I am looking for a green or purple strong laser pointer myself. I tried this website (Lazerer) but I think it's down. Bummer...


Oh yeah, does the link to the laser that I posted use the 18650 battery? Is that what's making them more powerful? I have experience with those batteries (vape).

Thanks peps. 👍👊
Lol they are selling the laser 303 which is like 5 dollars on ebay if your looking for high quality lasers go to either www.sanwu.com or jetlasers.com both are incredible quality and have many different wavelengths and power outputs.
 
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Lol they are selling the laser 303 which is like 5 dollars on ebay if your looking for high quality lasers go to either www.sanwu.com or jetlasers.com both are incredible quality and have many different wavelengths and power outputs.
What is dangerous about what that website is doing is they are selling a green laser as a self defense tool which I'm pretty sure is illegal. It can and will cause permanent eye damage and even blindness. They do have laser dazzles but they beam is usually not culminated into a fine point on those to help mitigate any permanent damage the laser can cause. If you are new to lasers talk to some of the more experienced forum members as they have a lot of information to offer and will be glad to help. And always remember high power lasers are not toys and you should always have proper eye protection rated for the wavelength and power density of any lasers that you are exposing yourself to. Also never point a laser at another person or use it as a self defense tool.
 




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