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GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL!!!
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
Yes... That is also why i requested mine.danq said:
Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
I doubt anyone has gotten refunds yet- I know I haven't.
Paypal's stuff is free to refund the full value.
Google checkout costs $0.20 per refund. Even with 100 individual refunds [assuming everyone paid with GCo- which not all did], it's still a max of $20...
"Google will return the variable portion of the transaction fee to you (2%). We'll retain the flat fee of $0.20."
But I do agree, what's the hold up? Are we having to wait for amk to scrounge up $20?
I doubt anyone has gotten refunds yet- I know I haven't.
Paypal's stuff is free to refund the full value.
Google checkout costs $0.20 per refund. Even with 100 individual refunds [assuming everyone paid with GCo- which not all did], it's still a max of $20...
"Google will return the variable portion of the transaction fee to you (2%). We'll retain the flat fee of $0.20."
But I do agree, what's the hold up? Are we having to wait for amk to scrounge up $20?
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
I requested and recieved mine minutes after the "12x" announcement. Needless to say I became concerned with the fairytale.
I hope for the remaining participants sake, the profit has not been spent :-/
Jake21 is who I will be dealing with in the future for any GB's, he seems to have the more reliable source, and in ways that most dont know :-X
I requested and recieved mine minutes after the "12x" announcement. Needless to say I became concerned with the fairytale.
I hope for the remaining participants sake, the profit has not been spent :-/
Jake21 is who I will be dealing with in the future for any GB's, he seems to have the more reliable source, and in ways that most dont know :-X
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
Please refund ASAP. I don't understand the holdup...some communication would be great.
Please refund ASAP. I don't understand the holdup...some communication would be great.
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
That is why there is a holdup
amkdeath said:I am waiting for my paycheck, then I will be able to pitch in the lost fees and refund everybody.
Thanks for your support. According to the suppliers, we should have these sometime in January or February... If i don't find 8x's by then;D
That is why there is a holdup
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Paying your own fees does not place enough cash in the account to pay the remaining refunds. You are not alone. The very nature of a Group Buy is that actions are taken at the group level. You are thinking like a customer buying from a retail outlet. Getting angry will not alter the facts. AMK has proven trustworthy through time and many transactions. When he gets his check he will finish the refunds.
Peace,
dave
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Paying your own fees does not place enough cash in the account to pay the remaining refunds. You are not alone. The very nature of a Group Buy is that actions are taken at the group level. You are thinking like a customer buying from a retail outlet. Getting angry will not alter the facts. AMK has proven trustworthy through time and many transactions. When he gets his check he will finish the refunds.
Peace,
dave
Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
I understand he is reliable, i did research before i made the choice to be involved in this. It seems to me unless he actually sent the supplier money, it would still be in a holding account, fully liquid. Otherwise we would be waiting on the suppler, not AMK, to dole out refunds. See my point?
I understand he is reliable, i did research before i made the choice to be involved in this. It seems to me unless he actually sent the supplier money, it would still be in a holding account, fully liquid. Otherwise we would be waiting on the suppler, not AMK, to dole out refunds. See my point?
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Yes I do.
However, you either may have not been following the thread completely or did not completely understand what was happening. All of those "samples" he was getting while trying to see if the 12X was actually available and/or whether these were really 6X's, were not free. The shipping of them to IgorT for testing was not free. Those purchases and actions were taken for the benefit of the GB participants. The money for them came out of the GB account. If they had proven real the cost of them would have been shared by all (and, knowing AMK, probably still come out of AMK's small share). However, they were not 12X's. AMK would be perfectly justified in taking the cost of those things out of everyone's refund (as well as any remaining charges left levied by GCO). He has decided to bear the entire cost of both the samples and the left over fees. Unfortunately, that means that some have to wait for him to get paid to receive their refund. AMK refunded money until the money in the GB account was exhausted. Now he has to wait until he gets paid to finish the refunds. I'm sorry you are one of the ones on the "other side" of the payment line, but as I said, getting angry and/or demanding will not change the money situation.
You are still thinking like a customer buying from a retail outlet. The GB process has gotten distorted recently with the flourishing of small retail businesses calling what they do "Group Buys." Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do not run group buys. They have small retail businesses. You loan them the money to buy stock for their business and get paid back with stock. They have "left overs" and can offer "discounts" to large buyers, because they are turning a profit. You can make demands out of that profit. A group buy is done as a service to the community. The person running it usually only gets one of the items for themselves for their effort or they simply pay the same as everyone else does. I am NOT saying that what Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do is bad. I buy from them as well. I am saying that they act and can be treated differently than someone running a true group buy. Someone running a group buy as a service to the community has no "profit" upon which you can make demands.
Peace,
dave
mophead said:
Yes I do.
However, you either may have not been following the thread completely or did not completely understand what was happening. All of those "samples" he was getting while trying to see if the 12X was actually available and/or whether these were really 6X's, were not free. The shipping of them to IgorT for testing was not free. Those purchases and actions were taken for the benefit of the GB participants. The money for them came out of the GB account. If they had proven real the cost of them would have been shared by all (and, knowing AMK, probably still come out of AMK's small share). However, they were not 12X's. AMK would be perfectly justified in taking the cost of those things out of everyone's refund (as well as any remaining charges left levied by GCO). He has decided to bear the entire cost of both the samples and the left over fees. Unfortunately, that means that some have to wait for him to get paid to receive their refund. AMK refunded money until the money in the GB account was exhausted. Now he has to wait until he gets paid to finish the refunds. I'm sorry you are one of the ones on the "other side" of the payment line, but as I said, getting angry and/or demanding will not change the money situation.
You are still thinking like a customer buying from a retail outlet. The GB process has gotten distorted recently with the flourishing of small retail businesses calling what they do "Group Buys." Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do not run group buys. They have small retail businesses. You loan them the money to buy stock for their business and get paid back with stock. They have "left overs" and can offer "discounts" to large buyers, because they are turning a profit. You can make demands out of that profit. A group buy is done as a service to the community. The person running it usually only gets one of the items for themselves for their effort or they simply pay the same as everyone else does. I am NOT saying that what Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do is bad. I buy from them as well. I am saying that they act and can be treated differently than someone running a true group buy. Someone running a group buy as a service to the community has no "profit" upon which you can make demands.
Peace,
dave
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
I understand what you are saying Dave, but some info there is either assumed or was told to you in private. The samples and shipping to Igor was paid by Amk according to the public posts. I believe he said he paid $80 for the sample diode. He didn't mention taking the money from the GB fund (which I have no problem if that is the case). I would like more open communication. For instance, around when can we expect the refund? He's had my money since November 8th, so a few days to me is not a big deal, but times are tight with the holidays right now. This makes knowing when I'll get the money important as I know what I can and can't spend. From my perspective, the most important thing is keeping the fellow group buy participants in the loop.
I understand what you are saying Dave, but some info there is either assumed or was told to you in private. The samples and shipping to Igor was paid by Amk according to the public posts. I believe he said he paid $80 for the sample diode. He didn't mention taking the money from the GB fund (which I have no problem if that is the case). I would like more open communication. For instance, around when can we expect the refund? He's had my money since November 8th, so a few days to me is not a big deal, but times are tight with the holidays right now. This makes knowing when I'll get the money important as I know what I can and can't spend. From my perspective, the most important thing is keeping the fellow group buy participants in the loop.
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I will grant that I probably have more private communication than many of the other members of the forum. However, most of the problems associated with this discussion are based in the evolution of the buying/selling process associated with the forum membership. Some of it is indeed "assumed" knowledge, because that is how "group buys" have worked for some time. Cultures don't come with printed "rules" very often. Much of the knowledge that is "group knowledge" is learned by trial and error. The way "merchandise" is "moved" in the forum has changed as of late. I don't care how it shakes out. I believe in a free market economy. I am only trying to get us past this current wrinkle in the refund process. In case you hadn't noticed, many of the veteran members have already moved to more "behind the scenes" transactions. WE still remember "doing for each other" rather than "doing for ourselves."
I still believe that AMK will follow through with the refunds as soon as he gets paid. I understand the timing is poor, but that does not change the facts. I was most concerned that the "demands" were beginning to escalate without regard to those facts. Yelling, demanding, complaining, and/or getting angry will not alter the timing of the refunds.
Peace,
dave
chopper said:
I will grant that I probably have more private communication than many of the other members of the forum. However, most of the problems associated with this discussion are based in the evolution of the buying/selling process associated with the forum membership. Some of it is indeed "assumed" knowledge, because that is how "group buys" have worked for some time. Cultures don't come with printed "rules" very often. Much of the knowledge that is "group knowledge" is learned by trial and error. The way "merchandise" is "moved" in the forum has changed as of late. I don't care how it shakes out. I believe in a free market economy. I am only trying to get us past this current wrinkle in the refund process. In case you hadn't noticed, many of the veteran members have already moved to more "behind the scenes" transactions. WE still remember "doing for each other" rather than "doing for ourselves."
I still believe that AMK will follow through with the refunds as soon as he gets paid. I understand the timing is poor, but that does not change the facts. I was most concerned that the "demands" were beginning to escalate without regard to those facts. Yelling, demanding, complaining, and/or getting angry will not alter the timing of the refunds.
Peace,
dave
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
Yes I do.
However, you either may have not been following the thread completely or did not completely understand what was happening. All of those "samples" he was getting while trying to see if the 12X was actually available and/or whether these were really 6X's, were not free. The shipping of them to IgorT for testing was not free. Those purchases and actions were taken for the benefit of the GB participants. The money for them came out of the GB account. If they had proven real the cost of them would have been shared by all (and, knowing AMK, probably still come out of AMK's small share). However, they were not 12X's. AMK would be perfectly justified in taking the cost of those things out of everyone's refund (as well as any remaining charges left levied by GCO). He has decided to bear the entire cost of both the samples and the left over fees. Unfortunately, that means that some have to wait for him to get paid to receive their refund. AMK refunded money until the money in the GB account was exhausted. Now he has to wait until he gets paid to finish the refunds. I'm sorry you are one of the ones on the "other side" of the payment line, but as I said, getting angry and/or demanding will not change the money situation.
You are still thinking like a customer buying from a retail outlet. The GB process has gotten distorted recently with the flourishing of small retail businesses calling what they do "Group Buys." Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do not run group buys. They have small retail businesses. You loan them the money to buy stock for their business and get paid back with stock. They have "left overs" and can offer "discounts" to large buyers, because they are turning a profit. You can make demands out of that profit. A group buy is done as a service to the community. The person running it usually only gets one of the items for themselves for their effort or they simply pay the same as everyone else does. I am NOT saying that what Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do is bad. I buy from them as well. I am saying that they act and can be treated differently than someone running a true group buy. Someone running a group buy as a service to the community has no "profit" upon which you can make demands.
Peace,
dave[/quote]
Id call this a GB if the G stood for guess.. I paid back in Oct. for 6x sleds, and like everyone else, got 4x sleds. Yet the title remained as 6x. Myself and other members noticed that the sled looked similar, but not the same to the true LG 6x sled. Everyone was assured they were in fact 6x, 250mW, "a close aquaintence", 'firmware deficient / same diode', etc. I recieved only a few of the "6x's", blowing the first at 170ma, and then the fiasco that brought us to the "OMFG 12x" crap. I pulled out batch 3 the second I saw the title of the thread change, for the very reason why people are getting fed up now.
When people put their hard earned cash down in a GB, they should get what they pay for, especially after all of the 6x assurance. This doesnt include guessing. I did not want a fictisious 8x, 12x or anything else. A minor slip in detail is one thing, but its now into many.
I dont think that anyones money should pay for samples, they paid for 6x, and it is up to the host of this 'guessbuy' to deliver, not gripe about personal costs, or for others to do the gripping for him. Testing the samples before even posting the thread may have been a good idea as well.
If AMK wanted to host a GB for 8x or 12x, then do the feeler and get people to pitch in for the sample costs. Take seperate orders on another thread, rather than hold on to peoples cash for a couple of months, keep guessing and rework the payment info page.
I understand that GB's take time and effort, but changing the title of the thread 5 times and not delivering the goods is not a GB in my books, just an inconvinience.
Calling Jake21's operation anything short of a GB, I would not agree, its a group of people buying at near cost, not retail. I ordered 150 803t sleds through him, as quantity sweetens the price, and he makes next to nothing for his trouble. That to me is a GB. Not to mention I will see my sleds before the new year, and after paying in Dec.
Jake has been honest when I asked what he pays for the sleds, and considering the free harvesting for n00bs he offers, is doing more for 'the community' as a GB host.
Why exactly are people waiting for refunds?, and how many out of the 30 sleds 'paid' on page one have backed out? I dont think the samples cost 1800. so obviously his 'profit' has been spent, and is now trying to recover the money to provide refunds.
Then again I could be completely wrong... and maybe theres more to the story than being let on.
Just my 2centz
daguin said:
Yes I do.
However, you either may have not been following the thread completely or did not completely understand what was happening. All of those "samples" he was getting while trying to see if the 12X was actually available and/or whether these were really 6X's, were not free. The shipping of them to IgorT for testing was not free. Those purchases and actions were taken for the benefit of the GB participants. The money for them came out of the GB account. If they had proven real the cost of them would have been shared by all (and, knowing AMK, probably still come out of AMK's small share). However, they were not 12X's. AMK would be perfectly justified in taking the cost of those things out of everyone's refund (as well as any remaining charges left levied by GCO). He has decided to bear the entire cost of both the samples and the left over fees. Unfortunately, that means that some have to wait for him to get paid to receive their refund. AMK refunded money until the money in the GB account was exhausted. Now he has to wait until he gets paid to finish the refunds. I'm sorry you are one of the ones on the "other side" of the payment line, but as I said, getting angry and/or demanding will not change the money situation.
You are still thinking like a customer buying from a retail outlet. The GB process has gotten distorted recently with the flourishing of small retail businesses calling what they do "Group Buys." Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do not run group buys. They have small retail businesses. You loan them the money to buy stock for their business and get paid back with stock. They have "left overs" and can offer "discounts" to large buyers, because they are turning a profit. You can make demands out of that profit. A group buy is done as a service to the community. The person running it usually only gets one of the items for themselves for their effort or they simply pay the same as everyone else does. I am NOT saying that what Jake, blu-ray, Kenom, etc. do is bad. I buy from them as well. I am saying that they act and can be treated differently than someone running a true group buy. Someone running a group buy as a service to the community has no "profit" upon which you can make demands.
Peace,
dave[/quote]
Id call this a GB if the G stood for guess.. I paid back in Oct. for 6x sleds, and like everyone else, got 4x sleds. Yet the title remained as 6x. Myself and other members noticed that the sled looked similar, but not the same to the true LG 6x sled. Everyone was assured they were in fact 6x, 250mW, "a close aquaintence", 'firmware deficient / same diode', etc. I recieved only a few of the "6x's", blowing the first at 170ma, and then the fiasco that brought us to the "OMFG 12x" crap. I pulled out batch 3 the second I saw the title of the thread change, for the very reason why people are getting fed up now.
When people put their hard earned cash down in a GB, they should get what they pay for, especially after all of the 6x assurance. This doesnt include guessing. I did not want a fictisious 8x, 12x or anything else. A minor slip in detail is one thing, but its now into many.
I dont think that anyones money should pay for samples, they paid for 6x, and it is up to the host of this 'guessbuy' to deliver, not gripe about personal costs, or for others to do the gripping for him. Testing the samples before even posting the thread may have been a good idea as well.
If AMK wanted to host a GB for 8x or 12x, then do the feeler and get people to pitch in for the sample costs. Take seperate orders on another thread, rather than hold on to peoples cash for a couple of months, keep guessing and rework the payment info page.
I understand that GB's take time and effort, but changing the title of the thread 5 times and not delivering the goods is not a GB in my books, just an inconvinience.
Calling Jake21's operation anything short of a GB, I would not agree, its a group of people buying at near cost, not retail. I ordered 150 803t sleds through him, as quantity sweetens the price, and he makes next to nothing for his trouble. That to me is a GB. Not to mention I will see my sleds before the new year, and after paying in Dec.
Jake has been honest when I asked what he pays for the sleds, and considering the free harvesting for n00bs he offers, is doing more for 'the community' as a GB host.
Why exactly are people waiting for refunds?, and how many out of the 30 sleds 'paid' on page one have backed out? I dont think the samples cost 1800. so obviously his 'profit' has been spent, and is now trying to recover the money to provide refunds.
Then again I could be completely wrong... and maybe theres more to the story than being let on.
Just my 2centz
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
AMK --
No offense, but your communication absoloutely freakin' sucks.
We have to wait 3 days to get a single reply! What the hell is this?
It would be nice if you could update us...
I knew from the beginning that this 12x crap was fake, and that those Chinese are taking advantage of those fools who would actually believe this utter crap.
I want a refund. What i paid for was a 6x, and i expected a 6x.
AMK --
No offense, but your communication absoloutely freakin' sucks.
We have to wait 3 days to get a single reply! What the hell is this?
It would be nice if you could update us...
I knew from the beginning that this 12x crap was fake, and that those Chinese are taking advantage of those fools who would actually believe this utter crap.
I want a refund. What i paid for was a 6x, and i expected a 6x.
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Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
Re: escalation AND the evolution of the meaning of "group buy"-- I rest my case
You create your own drama
Peace,
dave
Re: escalation AND the evolution of the meaning of "group buy"-- I rest my case
You create your own drama
Peace,
dave
Re: GGW-H20L 6x Sled GB!!! THE EPIC GB THREAD LAWL
I got a little impatient back there a bit, for which I need to apologize to amk.
Have been a bit stressed lately and forget important things - like how much effort he already put into this, which was truly a GB.
(that said, a bit more communication and clarity...)
But things got twisted behind the scenes on this one, and amk is one of us - humans that is - and does things imperfectly sometimes; but he's one of us who has spent a lot of energy helping this forum's members get good stuff.
Plus, I just received my refund ;-)
DanQ
daguin said:
I got a little impatient back there a bit, for which I need to apologize to amk.
Have been a bit stressed lately and forget important things - like how much effort he already put into this, which was truly a GB.
(that said, a bit more communication and clarity...)
But things got twisted behind the scenes on this one, and amk is one of us - humans that is - and does things imperfectly sometimes; but he's one of us who has spent a lot of energy helping this forum's members get good stuff.
Plus, I just received my refund ;-)
DanQ