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FrozenGate by Avery

FS: The WORLDS SMALLEST, most POWERFUL burning laser! (keychain)

Daguin, can you change the titles of threads? because i cant.

I'd like to fix this issue... I dont need you guys thinking im a liar, and a false advertiser..

I truly meant well... and i was just really excited when i finished the build, so that most likely contributed to my excentric thread title...

If anyone can change it to

FS: 428mW Burning 8X Blu-ray Laser, Built in a Jayrob CR2 Keychain Kit
 





When I have time I will stick a 8x in here I don't much care for the most powerful, but I like small.

The whole unit acts as the heat sink it is magnesium alloy I believe... and run times
would be short not for the diode sake just for batt.



the only thing is for sure Jay will get some money from me for that high dollar lens.;)

thats hard for me to get used to I don't mind paying for anything to much , but lenses come on
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AFAIK not even Avery can change the thread "title." It may be possible, but he hasn't figured it out yet.

Contrary to the impression some hold, I am just a member like everyone else.

Hyperbole does not necessarily indicate a "lie." When we are excited, we have a tendency to only see the "best" of a creation. I started very mildly reminding you of your tendency to overstate. I did not accuse you of lying. The discussion then became more pointed as you continued to fail to see your hyperbole. Others may not understand the difference, but I do.

If you overstate a laser's output, people will not tell their friends that you "get excited." People will tell their friends that you sell under spec lasers. If you tell people that this is the biggest and bestest, and they find out that it was not what you said it was, they will not tell their friends that you were proud of your creation. They will tell their friends that you lied. I am just trying to help you learn how to succeed in the long term.

One of the reasons I pointed this stuff out is to help you be more successful with your business. As I warned you about before, people will cease listening to you after they see that your word must be taken "with a grain of salt." People want to make informed purchases, NOT to be "sold" something.

If someone buys the geatest, most magnificent, thing possible in the whole danged universe and then they find out it is pretty much just like other things, they feel ripped off even if the verbiage was simply the result of the sellers enthusiasm.

As you may or may not have had time to notice, I have no problem clearly calling someone out when they appear to be intentionally trying to rip others off. With you, I just started out reminding you more subtly because I did NOT believe you were intentionally trying to rip anyone off. You simply have a proclivity to hyperbole which must be pulled back if you want people to listen to and to believe you.

Peace,
dave
 
He can say anything he wants . . . . . as can I . . . . . .and can you

It is amazing the number of times someone defends their right to free speech by attempting to limit that same right in others

@ Th0ughts -- See the first post (and below)

Peace,
dave

Darkarmyofone said:
This laser is an 8X Blu-Ray (Violet) build, In the Smallest host compatablie with 8x currents.
It resides in JAYROB's new CR2 Keychain Kit
Power output: 428mW
current input: 305mA
This is the smallest 8x build in existence.
Asking price $450 (was $500!)
PM me
Dark Lasers
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What lens does it have in it?

Peace,
dave
 
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EDIT: this was to the guy who said JAY's lenses are to expensive

Do you have ANY idea what it costs to manufacture those special 405-G1 lenses!

Theres AR coatings involved, the lenses are manufactured in a CLEAN facility. and so on...

$53 bucks isnt CRAP compared to what some people sell them for... i bet you cant find a cheaper one.

Anyways, I'm an AVID 405-G1 fan. I use them on EVERY blu-ray build. I have not recieved a SINGLE bad lens. and EVERY one performs right up to par

And that host is pretty long, i thought you said you like small?
 
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daguin said:
AFAIK not even Avery can change the thread "title." It may be possible, but he hasn't figured it out yet.

Contrary to the impression some hold, I am just a member like everyone else.

Hyperbole does not necessarily indicate a "lie." When we are excited, we have a tendency to only see the "best" of a creation. I started very mildly reminding you of your tendency to overstate. I did not accuse you of lying. The discussion then became more pointed as you continued to fail to see your hyperbole. Others may not understand the difference, but I do.

If you overstate a laser's output, people will not tell their friends that you "get excited." People will tell their friends that you sell under spec lasers. If you tell people that this is the biggest and bestest, and they find out that it was not what you said it was, they will not tell their friends that you were proud of your creation. They will tell their friends that you lied. I am just trying to help you learn how to succeed in the long term.

One of the reasons I pointed this stuff out is to help you be more successful with your business. As I warned you about before, people will cease listening to you after they see that your word must be taken "with a grain of salt." People want to make informed purchases, NOT to be "sold" something.

If someone buys the geatest, most magnificent, thing possible in the whole danged universe and then they find out it is pretty much just like other things, they feel ripped off even if the verbiage was simply the result of the sellers enthusiasm.

As you may or may not have had time to notice, I have no problem clearly calling someone out when they appear to be intentionally trying to rip others off. With you, I just started out reminding you more subtly because I did NOT believe you were intentionally trying to rip anyone off. You simply have a proclivity to hyperbole which must be pulled back if you want people to listen to and to believe you.

Peace,
dave
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If you overstate a laser's output, people will not tell their friends that you "get excited." People will tell their friends that you sell under spec lasers. If you tell people that this is the biggest and bestest, and they find out that it was not what you said it was, they will not tell their friends that you were proud of your creation. They will tell their friends that you lied. I am just trying to help you learn how to succeed in the long term.
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So i OVERSTATED the output... ? how. its 428mW at 304mA literaly

so how am i selling an underspec laser Dave?? I'm so lost...

And i didnt say it was the BIGGET and BESTEST, i said it IS the MOSTPOWERFULL SMALLEST LASER. meaning it IS the most powerful laser of THAT size...

So please list my lies... i want to know, and i mean NO disrespect, this is just really getting to me Dave... i dont see how i am false advertisin, or selling underpec! even jayrob sais its 428mW...

And i took the first post out.... AND took it out of my sig... there isnt any worlds most powerfull smallest laser anything anywheres but the title, wich we cant change.

hope you write back soon...
 
Darkarmyofone said:
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So i OVERSTATED the output... ? how. its 428mW at 304mA literaly
so how am i selling an underspec laser Dave?? I'm so lost...
And i didnt say it was the BIGGET and BESTEST, i said it IS the MOSTPOWERFULL SMALLEST LASER. meaning it IS the most powerful laser of THAT size...
So please list my lies... i want to know, and i mean NO disrespect, this is just really getting to me Dave... i dont see how i am false advertisin, or selling underpec! even jayrob sais its 428mW...
And i took the first post out.... AND took it out of my sig... there isnt any worlds most powerfull smallest laser anything anywheres but the title, wich we cant change.
hope you write back soon...
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Dude, you are frothing at the mouth. You are also not reading what I write but rather reading what you want. I am trying to help you so you don't look like a chump. But that is alright. You are free to say whatever you want and I will continue to write whatever I want. I guess in your world no one used hypothetical examples, eh?

If you want to look like a chump, feel free to ignore my advice. All you want to do is fight and be right. Maybe it is just that you are incapable of complex thought. I am done helping you. I will continue to help those that may have to deal with your hyperbole


Cold hearted orb that rules the night.
That steals the color from our sight.
Red is gray and yellow white,
but we now which is right,
and which is an illusion
(apologies to Moody Blues)

Peace,
dave
 
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daguin said:
Dude, you are frothing at the mouth. You are also not reading what I write but rather reading what you want. I am trying to help you so you don't look like a chump. But that is alright. You are free to say whatever you want and I will continue to write whatever I want. I guess in your world no one used hypothetical examples, eh?

If you want to look like a chump, feel free to ignore my advice. All you want to do is fight and be right. Maybe it is just that you are incapable of complex thought. I am done helping you. I will continue to help those that may have to deal with your hyperbole


Cold hearted orb that rules the night.
That steals the color from our sight.
Red is gray and yellow white,
but we now which is right,
and which is an illusion
(apologies to Moody Blues)

Peace,
dave
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Dave.. cmon now... i did what i did out of respect for YOU.

and i mean NO disrespect
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***quote from above***

I'm not frothing at the mouth, and i AM taking your advice.. I did everything you said. and changed every last bit od wording..

I was just asking for your opinion on how i should word it better...

And i read every word of what you wrote...

I cant believe your willing to just dis-own me because your mis-understanding what im saying... and maybe i misunderstood you..

and i never asked you to not write anything, I was simply trying to earn your respect.. but you feel i am ignoring you??? how? I heeded all your words, and removed the wording you disliked... and i even asked cold to delete the thread so i may start a new, more accurate one with the title YOU suggested... since i cant change the title...

And im NOT trying to fight OR be right... i admitted i was WRONG!

So im just going to assume you have other reasons for disliking me.. reguardless of the fact that I respect you more-so than ANYONE here...

Thats why i asked for your help..

And i dont appreciate being called a chump Dave... I'd never disrespect you like that...

So what am i doing wrong! I just wanted you to be my friend... because i look up to you.. I even brag about you ALL the time...

That knife stuck deep dave... deep...
 
Text just can't deliver sometime. Maybe a phonecall, I talked with Glenn on the phone :) So much easier than PM's
 
Darkarmyofone said:
Dave.. cmon now... i did what i did out of respect for YOU.
***quote from above***
I'm not frothing at the mouth, and i AM taking your advice.. I did everything you said. and changed every last bit od wording..
I was just asking for your opinion on how i should word it better...
And i read every word of what you wrote...
I cant believe your willing to just dis-own me because your mis-understanding what im saying... and maybe i misunderstood you..
and i never asked you to not write anything, I was simply trying to earn your respect.. but you feel i am ignoring you??? how? I heeded all your words, and removed the wording you disliked... and i even asked cold to delete the thread so i may start a new, more accurate one with the title YOU suggested... since i cant change the title...
And im NOT trying to fight OR be right... i admitted i was WRONG!
So im just going to assume you have other reasons for disliking me.. reguardless of the fact that I respect you more-so than ANYONE here...
Thats why i asked for your help..
And i dont appreciate being called a chump Dave... I'd never disrespect you like that...
So what am i doing wrong! I just wanted you to be my friend... because i look up to you.. I even brag about you ALL the time...
That knife stuck deep dave... deep...
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Nothing in that post even mentioned the 8X keychain laser. I was giving you vague and hypothetical examples of why it was necessary to avoid hyperbole. I have never once accused you of lieing.

And yet, you jump in and DEFEND your listing of the 8X and then DEMAND that I list your lies. I don't dislike you. I am just unwilling to try to help someone with a chip so precariously balanced on his shoulder.

You remind me of someone. I haven't gotten enough of your communication patterns down yet. You may or may not be this person. However, in the mean time, you jump to your own defense for things that have not even been attacked and have fairly dramatic mood swings.

You may have let your eye roam over the words in the post, but you have not "read" them. You see boogeymen where none exist.

Peace,
dave

**EDIT** Pasted from above -- As you may or may not have had time to notice, I have no problem clearly calling someone out when they appear to be intentionally trying to rip others off. With you, I just started out reminding you more subtly because I did NOT believe you were intentionally trying to rip anyone off. You simply have a proclivity to hyperbole which must be pulled back if you want people to listen to and to believe you.
 
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ok, i shouldnt have said lies. I appologize for that.

And i did not DEMAND you list my "lies" i just asked...

And my name is Tyler Sweet, I live in North Carolina, and im 21years old.... i am NOT who you think i am Dave... it would be very sad if you truly believed that i was someone else... I just talked to Jayrob on the phone today... ask him.

And im sorry i wasnt quite sure what a "hyperbole" is, and i didnt realize your statement was an example.

I'm sorry for that, i stand corrected 100%

So what do i need to do dave.. break it down for me. The LAST thing i want is to lose your respect.... the respect of someone i've ALWAYS looked up to.

I mean if you want me to just leave you be... say the word. I'm not trying to anger you... i'm trying to learn from you.

And i dont believe i have a chip on my shoulder. Im not defending myself, i already admitted i worded things in a less than acceptable way (wich i have since taken care of)

And as a result, this thread is now useless. no ones gunna buy this build now.

So just tell me what YOU want me to do/say and i will do it dave...

Tyler
 
Darkarmyofone said:
ok, i shouldnt have said lies. I appologize for that.
And i did not DEMAND you list my "lies" i just asked...
And my name is Tyler Sweet, I live in North Carolina, and im 21years old.... i am NOT who you think i am Dave... it would be very sad if you truly believed that i was someone else... I just talked to Jayrob on the phone today... ask him.
And im sorry i wasnt quite sure what a "hyperbole" is, and i didnt realize your statement was an example.
I'm sorry for that, i stand corrected 100%
So what do i need to do dave.. break it down for me. The LAST thing i want is to lose your respect.... the respect of someone i've ALWAYS looked up to.
I mean if you want me to just leave you be... say the word. I'm not trying to anger you... i'm trying to learn from you.
And i dont believe i have a chip on my shoulder. Im not defending myself, i already admitted i worded things in a less than acceptable way (wich i have since taken care of)
And as a result, this thread is now useless. no ones gunna buy this build now.
So just tell me what YOU want me to do/say and i will do it dave...
Tyler
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Start by going back to post #51 and re-reading it with running a business and communication in mind rather than looking for attacks on yourself and/or your listing.

After that read through the rest of the posts to see that even after that post which got you fired up, I was still working to get your laser sold

Just adding "please" does not change a demand into a request.

Human communication is my field. I am very good at deciphering sub-text.

Peace,
dave
 
human communication is not my stong suit... I did not mean to sound demanding.. I guess i should have reworded that. i was not demanding anything. and i never would.

But this is just a mis-understanding Dave.

Can we let bygones be bygones...? I even repped you as an appology..

I know you will never have respect for me, but i do NOT want to be your enemy... I just want peace.

I'm sorry that things got out of hand, and im sure TEXTING had 50% to do with it... text contains NO tone of voice... i think this is our issue..

Friends? or should i just leave you be.. I promise i wont ask for advice, or respond to any of your post, so theres never a misunderstanding ever again..

:beer: ?
 
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